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Well, the way things are going at the moment, it looks as if we shall be in the free trade area, unable to be free to trade with other countries as we choose - the two are incompatible - and in all probability compelled to accept free movement of people as now. We will have no say in how this is all administered, however, having politically left the union. Most of this has already been agreed by May, albeit not directly.

How this is better than being fully in the EU as now is baffling. I doubt if even the brexiteers are in favour of it.

Hopefully, our elected parliament will see how foolish this is and kick the whole brexit thing into touch. I get the strong impression that this is increasingly likely. Parliament has given itself the power to do it, and I think are developing the confidence to ignore the referendum and do their jobs, which is not to do the bidding of anyone but to do the best they can for the country. Increasingly, the electorate is having second thoughts too, if the polls are to be believed, so they have growing support.

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I haven’t seen any mention about free trade zone, we are much more likely to have a special treaty of some sort.

I don’t think us being inside the FTA would wash with either side.


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How else can you not have a border in NI?, Or in the North Sea?

It is the inevitable result of the agreement Mrs. May has made. We will be in the FTA for the next two years anyway, and if it works we'll carry on I expect. It WILL work because we are in it now and it works so that'll be it.

It is worth noting that the EU has pointed out that any trade agreement talks cannot even start until we have left the EU. I imagine a lot of brexiteers imagine that 'trade talks' will start in March, but that is most definitely not the case. It is about defining a post-brexit relationship. Things like policing, joint research projects, radioisotopes for medicine etc. Anything but trade.

Note that membership of teh FTA must mean we will be very restricted in what trade agreements we can make with the rest of the world too.

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Nobody has said there will be no border, they have said there will be no hard border to people and trade between Eire and NI, they have also said there will be no hard border to trade and people between NI and GB.

However we already have medium borders between GB and Ireland, you cannot travel without ID between the two, you cannot transfer bulk items without documentation.

If the EU want to impose tariffs on their other prerequisites then they will have to decide how it will work, the UK have a solution, the EU haven't.


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