Welcome to WikiWirral, sharing is what we do best.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,005,752
Topics74,422
Members12,674
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs27
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
25 registered members (alan128, 4 invisible), 633 guests, and173 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
Hi
by The2Veggies. 12th Jul 2018 8:07pm
Men for all seasons
by casper. 11th Jul 2018 10:32am
Delta 15 Scholarship
by diggingdeeper. 2nd Jul 2018 6:23pm
Trump separating children from parents.
by venice. 20th Jun 2018 12:27pm
New Wirral History
A Fizz From The Past
by diggingdeeper. 30th Jun 2018 8:49pm
Ashville Road Sports Ground
by derekdwc. 26th May 2018 1:14pm
Any pics of Bentinck Street
by derekdwc. 17th Oct 2012 11:25am
276 Rock Villa Hotel Ltd 329 Old Chester Road
by derekdwc. 18th Aug 2011 11:13pm
does anyone remember Beaufort Square, Birkenhead?
by oldbirkonian1. 29th Jun 2011 7:46pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Over Exposed Crash Site
Birkenhead Priory / Laird's crane today
Topic Replies
Kitchen Supplier & Fitter + other Recommendations
by muzzy2. 21st Jul 2018 8:38am
New Novichok Saga
by granny. 20th Jul 2018 10:25pm
Newsflash - Wirral's newest Retail Park
by Excoriator. 20th Jul 2018 10:42am
Hose Pipe Ban
by diggingdeeper. 19th Jul 2018 9:42pm
Finds from 18/07/18 double silver!
by Detecting_wirral. 19th Jul 2018 9:30pm
Ashville Road Sports Ground
by jimmy3. 19th Jul 2018 2:06pm
124 North Western Hotel
by diggingdeeper. 19th Jul 2018 12:00pm
276 Rock Villa Hotel Ltd 329 Old Chester Road
by diggingdeeper. 19th Jul 2018 11:57am
mens designer clothes
by Liangi08. 19th Jul 2018 10:32am
July
M T W T F S S
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Giants to visit New Brighton Lighthouse
by granny. 24th Jun 2018 10:43pm
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rating 3
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Submarine Disaster #1047958
20th Nov 2017 5:46pm
20th Nov 2017 5:46pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,724
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline OP

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,724
Birkenhead
Another submarine in trouble, this time for the Argentinians.

Wouldn't you think submarines would have emergency beacons they could release and/or dye so that their position could be identified quickly.

Lets hope they are found in time.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
Google Ads
Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1047959
20th Nov 2017 6:17pm
20th Nov 2017 6:17pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,366
Wirral
V
venice Offline

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,366
Wirral
They do have emergency radio beacons on board , so I wonder why the rescuers are not picking anything up from those. Maybe something catastrophic happened and the beacons were set on manual instead of automatic or something , and no -one could activate one . Not sure dye would be seen in a stormy sea, but if subs can launch weapons from underwater, youd hope they could also launch flare type things too wouldnt you . Again, could be down to a catastrophe . So upsetting for the waiting rellies , and terrifying for those on board . Fingers crossed for them.

Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1047967
20th Nov 2017 9:33pm
20th Nov 2017 9:33pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,724
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline OP

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,724
Birkenhead
Perhaps the more obvious thing to release is oil or fuel, spy planes are specifically equipped to sniff and spot them.

Presumably there has been a catastrophic failure of the electrical systems but you would assume there would be mechanical alerts of some type fitted, even if its a wind-up generator to power the emergency radio beacon - or perhaps just a battery.

If the main batteries have erupted then they really can be in trouble unless they got the area isolated fast enough.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1047970
20th Nov 2017 10:05pm
20th Nov 2017 10:05pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,444
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,444
Wirral


They may not know it's location. Pacific is pretty huge and if its' dropped deep then could be impossible I suppose.

I doubt a dye would reach the surface. How many are there on board ? I thought I heard 40 +, but could be wrong.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1047972
20th Nov 2017 10:46pm
20th Nov 2017 10:46pm
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,682
Heswallish
F
fish5133 Online content
Forum Guardian
fish5133  Online Content
Forum Guardian
F
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,682
Heswallish
Always wondered do subs float on their own and have to flood tanks in order to sink..if that's is the case one wonders if its just not bobbing around on the surface. How many ways out of a sub?? Inflatable liferafts on board?

Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1047974
20th Nov 2017 10:57pm
20th Nov 2017 10:57pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,724
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline OP

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,724
Birkenhead
If the sub is any depth you will probably die if you try to exit because of the sudden pressure changes, also if you don't have an air supply you won't be able to surface quick enough by holding your breath and they also know it is very stormy at the moment. It could be a last ditch thing to try when you are running out of air or options.

It is believed the sub would have been under water when it failed because of the stormy weather, to get it to float you would have to blast the water out the ballast tanks, while on old subs this was a mechanical operation using stored compressed air, these days its probably a bit more complicated.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1047978
20th Nov 2017 11:59pm
20th Nov 2017 11:59pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,515
wirral
E
Excoriator Offline
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Offline
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,515
wirral
I have a much better idea. Don't use submarines at all.

Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1047982
21st Nov 2017 10:03am
21st Nov 2017 10:03am
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,682
Heswallish
F
fish5133 Online content
Forum Guardian
fish5133  Online Content
Forum Guardian
F
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,682
Heswallish
So DD The real problem could be mechanical electrical failure whilst submerged not allowing ballast tanks to be emptied..Not good. Lets hope the engineers on board can fix something up if that is the case

Last edited by fish5133; 21st Nov 2017 10:04am.
Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1047991
21st Nov 2017 12:03pm
21st Nov 2017 12:03pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,366
Wirral
V
venice Offline

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,366
Wirral
What I dont understand, is according to a CNN video I watched , the sub came to the surface to report the electrical fault in the batteries - so why on earth would they then submerge deep, to make the trip back to base? I would have thought any risk assessment would have judged that as a complete NO NO ??



The vid is a small part of this link , you may have to hunt.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/20/americas/argentina-missing-submarine/index.html)

Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1048012
21st Nov 2017 4:16pm
21st Nov 2017 4:16pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,724
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline OP

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,724
Birkenhead
The battery fault was reported some time before they had real problems, its not uncommon for the odd battery to play up and they have procedures to cope with it.

They'd be far worse off getting tossed all over the place in the storm than under the water, when they dived they probably didn't know they had substantial problems.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1048037
21st Nov 2017 6:58pm
21st Nov 2017 6:58pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,366
Wirral
V
venice Offline

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,366
Wirral
I suppose, but why not just 40 ft down below the waves I wonder.Time is sadly running out now -heartbreaking.

Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1048047
21st Nov 2017 8:30pm
21st Nov 2017 8:30pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,724
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline OP

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,724
Birkenhead
You have to go a bit deeper than that, there is quite a swell underneath those waves for some distance plus for every wave there is a trough as well.

Unlike ships that have a controlled carve through water that stabilises them, submarines are pretty unstable, when you turn the rudder the whole thing spins so continually changing course to compensate for swell takes quite a bit of effort.

Also, the nearer the surface you are, the less stable a submarine is, which is why they don't stay at periscope depths for long periods of time, its just too much hard work.

Presumably modern submarines are fly-by-wire and all the hard work is done by a computer but I'm not sure if this sub is like that.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1048078
22nd Nov 2017 11:33am
22nd Nov 2017 11:33am
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,285
Wirral
Moonstar Offline

Forum Addict
Moonstar  Offline

Forum Addict
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,285
Wirral

Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: Moonstar] #1048080
22nd Nov 2017 12:01pm
22nd Nov 2017 12:01pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,444
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,444
Wirral


Let's hope ,it's not too late.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Submarine Disaster [Re: diggingdeeper] #1048083
22nd Nov 2017 1:06pm
22nd Nov 2017 1:06pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,366
Wirral
V
venice Offline

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,366
Wirral
Not been verified yet , but lets hope it is , and that they are still alive .Must be agony for the families.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Finds from 18/07/18 double silver!
by Detecting_wirral. 19th Jul 2018 5:32pm
Newsflash - Wirral's newest Retail Park
by Greenwood. 18th Jul 2018 1:12pm
Dog restrictions on beaches dropped
by Greenwood. 17th Jul 2018 1:41pm
Hose Pipe Ban
by diggingdeeper. 17th Jul 2018 1:34am
Kitchen Supplier & Fitter + other Recommendations
by Itsme. 16th Jul 2018 10:40pm
For Sale & Free
BBQ Gas Bottle
by delta6. 16th Jul 2018 6:28pm
Gaz 907 bottle
by Snodvan. 12th Jul 2018 8:30pm
China Jardiniere
by The2Veggies. 12th Jul 2018 8:05pm
Freestanding Cooker Urgently Needed
by The2Veggies. 12th Jul 2018 7:58pm
Frame Tent
by Snodvan. 12th Jul 2018 1:30pm
Member Spotlight
Gibbo
Gibbo
Oxton
Posts: 1,954
Joined: December 2010
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
Mike_Garfield, Tom_Chisholm, MarSal, Mcavoy, FatGuyOnABike
12674 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Kitchen Supplier & Fitter + other Recommendations
by Itsme. 16th Jul 2018 10:40pm
apprenticeship for electricians mate
by kazaroo. 12th Jul 2018 2:47pm
Qualified Electrician Needed
by spgb1a. 12th Jul 2018 11:08am
Unknown road name
by max232. 10th Jul 2018 10:41am
Taxi to Manchester airport - recommendations?
by CarterUSM. 9th Jul 2018 10:17am
News : New Topics
Newsflash - Wirral's newest Retail Park
by Greenwood. 18th Jul 2018 1:12pm
Dog restrictions on beaches dropped
by Greenwood. 17th Jul 2018 1:41pm
Hose Pipe Ban
by diggingdeeper. 17th Jul 2018 1:34am
Serious Accident Arrowe Park
by fish5133. 14th Jul 2018 5:10pm
More threats to Wirral's Green Belt
by Greenwood. 12th Jul 2018 1:55pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Finds from 18/07/18 double silver!
by Detecting_wirral. 19th Jul 2018 5:32pm
Renault Modus 2010
by chrislfc87. 16th Jul 2018 1:48pm
Finds from today 14/11/18 silver again!o
by Detecting_wirral. 14th Jul 2018 10:11pm
Selling Euro ace
by leelad03. 14th Jul 2018 5:32pm
Nearly
by diggingdeeper. 13th Jul 2018 5:32pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sat 5:11am
Sunset Sat 9:25pm
Local Time Sat 8:59am
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1