WikiWirral Share a Little Learn a Lot about your Wirral
Forum Statistics
Posts1,029,161
Topics75,711
Members13,584
Forums65
Posts in last 24hrs14
Most Online14,906
Nov 23rd, 2019
Who's Online Now
38 registered members (8 invisible), 1,167 guests, and290 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
Covid vaccine
by casper. 2nd Dec 2020 9:20am
Wild West (Leasowe)
by GaryFromWirral. 23rd Nov 2020 6:44pm
Sony PlayStation 5 sales
by _Ste_. 21st Nov 2020 9:46am
Ebay fraudsters
by _Ste_. 16th Nov 2020 12:23pm
New Wirral History
What pub is this?
by mikeeb. 28th Nov 2020 12:39pm
Fairs Cameras - Bebington
by diggingdeeper. 23rd Nov 2020 4:08pm
Wirral Home Guard
by bridekirk. 12th Nov 2020 10:34pm
Genealogical Research - Macmillan
by Alex_Macmillan. 10th Oct 2020 11:57am
Outdoor swimming pools
by mikeeb. 30th Jun 2020 4:26pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Boaty McBoatface takes shape
The gathering storm: Mersey waterfront today
Topic Replies
fire station
by gerry1. 2nd Dec 2020 10:13am
ELECTORAL ROLLS
by bert1. 2nd Dec 2020 6:21am
FREE kids wallpaper
by gerry1. 1st Dec 2020 11:15pm
Bins not emptied.
by diggingdeeper. 1st Dec 2020 10:36pm
Recommended Tree Surgeons
by granny. 1st Dec 2020 7:11pm
Grosjean is lucky to be alive.
by diggingdeeper. 1st Dec 2020 4:40pm
Greenfield Street - Birkenhead
by joney. 1st Dec 2020 11:08am
Pensioner dies in prison
by Gibbo. 1st Dec 2020 10:14am
Nilfisk pressure washers
by muzzy2. 30th Nov 2020 6:34pm
December
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
View Ranger
by mikeeb. 24th Nov 2020 10:42am
Pontins Southport
by mikeeb. 18th Nov 2020 1:13pm
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Fitting bathroom lights need help #1047821
17th Nov 2017 11:29pm
17th Nov 2017 11:29pm
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 84
wirral
Y
yr20405 Offline OP
Member
yr20405  Offline OP
Member
Y
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 84
wirral

Just ordered one of these lights http://www.argos.co.uk/product/4325420
and they only have 3 slots L N and E from here http://documents.4rgos.it/v1/static/4325420_R_D001

Here is the link with the wires in my ceiling https://imgur.com/a/FgP0O

so which wires do I slot where and which wires will I need to tape up?


Google Ads
Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1047823
18th Nov 2017 1:42am
18th Nov 2017 1:42am
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,744
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,744
Birkenhead
You'll need to put one more connector inside.

Mains - Onward mains - Switch Cable -----Lamp Fitting


...................... N(Red sleeve)....... L

L ..... L ............ L

N ..... N ................................. N

E ..... E ............E.................... E

As you can see, the mains-live and onward-mains-live and switch-live-cables don't go to the light fitting and need the extra connector.

You don't need to identify which is main and onward--mains, just wire them together.

Don't loose the red sleeve, that identifies the switch and indicates the cable is or can be live never mind what colour the insulation is. It may not be on the neutral coloured wire, it appears to be using yellow (or white?) on yours?

Basically you connect all four earths together, all four neutrals together, three lives together on an extra connector and the sleeved return from the switch goes to lamp fitting live.

*Four means three cables and lamp fitting.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1047824
18th Nov 2017 1:50am
18th Nov 2017 1:50am
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,744
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,744
Birkenhead
Easier still, don't disconnect anything, chop the two existing leads that go to existing lamp, connect them to new lamp and add an earth wire. ie, keep the existing 4-way connector block.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1047829
18th Nov 2017 11:39am
18th Nov 2017 11:39am
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,743
wirral
E
Excoriator Offline
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Offline
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,743
wirral
DD's second post is the best way to do it.

To clarify, you'll need a short length of green/yellow wire to connect from the earth terminal on the 4-way block to the earth terminal on the new lamp. Three terminals, three wires. Red to live(L), black to neutral(N) and green.yellow to earth(E). Job's done. Good luck.

Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1047851
18th Nov 2017 11:11pm
18th Nov 2017 11:11pm
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,036
Heswallish
F
fish5133 Offline
Forum Guardian
fish5133  Offline
Forum Guardian
F
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,036
Heswallish
first switch power off at mains and double check wires with tester
!!

Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: fish5133] #1047854
19th Nov 2017 1:23am
19th Nov 2017 1:23am
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,744
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,744
Birkenhead
Originally Posted by fish5133
first switch power off at mains and double check wires with tester
!!


Yep, I forgot to mention that. Also, even if you have an RCD consumer unit which normally protects you from a serious shock, the lighting circuits are sometimes intentionally wired without the RCD.

A large part of my working life was on non-domestic live equipment up to silly voltages, I usually handle wires as though they are live whether they are or not.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1047856
19th Nov 2017 9:07am
19th Nov 2017 9:07am
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,743
wirral
E
Excoriator Offline
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Offline
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,743
wirral
I think treating things as if they are live even when you know they are not is excellent advice. I adopted this when rewiring my home, and it paid off when working in the attic I connected the last wire and the light came on! I had forgotten to switch off the power on that one occasion! I took a meter with me after that to double check.

Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1047940
20th Nov 2017 3:42pm
20th Nov 2017 3:42pm
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 84
wirral
Y
yr20405 Offline OP
Member
yr20405  Offline OP
Member
Y
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 84
wirral
[Linked Image]

Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1047944
20th Nov 2017 4:20pm
20th Nov 2017 4:20pm
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,923
Wallasey
S
Salmon Online content

Forum Addict
Salmon  Online Content

Forum Addict
S
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,923
Wallasey
That is pretty much it. Before you cut the live (red) wire check that it will reach the live on the new fitting.
Turn off the power and check it is off with a tester.
Turn the power off and double check it is off.
Make sure the power is off.

Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1047966
20th Nov 2017 8:11pm
20th Nov 2017 8:11pm
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 84
wirral
Y
yr20405 Offline OP
Member
yr20405  Offline OP
Member
Y
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 84
wirral
Thanks for the help and I have another light that I need fitting for the kitchen.

[Linked Image]
I'm thinking of using the wires below to connect the new light up.

Are these the right connections from the photo yellow/green E, Blue N and the last colour L?

Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1047969
20th Nov 2017 10:05pm
20th Nov 2017 10:05pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,744
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,744
Birkenhead
I've just realised that in both these cases they may have put the switch in the neutral not the live which is wrong and very dangerous!

In fact your first fitting should not work? If it did work then it means the whole of your colour coding is inconsistent and wrong.

The Blue and Yellow wires should be the two wires (plus an earth) that go to the switch, in both cases the blue is connected to neutral and I suspect may not being used as a switch line.

You need somebody to check this properly, its usually not much of a job to switch the wires (or maybe sleeve them appropriately) round but it should be done right.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1047973
20th Nov 2017 10:52pm
20th Nov 2017 10:52pm
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,923
Wallasey
S
Salmon Online content

Forum Addict
Salmon  Online Content

Forum Addict
S
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,923
Wallasey
Woah, DD you are right, I just noticed in the first pic that red is only a sleeve over a yellow (switch wire) and that is seemingly connected to live! The second one with presumably white paint over the wires makes no sense either
What has gone on here? No doubt a professional close look is needed.

Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: Salmon] #1048027
21st Nov 2017 4:35pm
21st Nov 2017 4:35pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,744
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,744
Birkenhead
Originally Posted by Salmon
Woah, DD you are right, I just noticed in the first pic that red is only a sleeve over a yellow (switch wire) and that is seemingly connected to live! The second one with presumably white paint over the wires makes no sense either
What has gone on here? No doubt a professional close look is needed.


In the unusual circumstances of using a switched neutral, the yellow should still have a red sleeve because when the switch is off the neutral side of the device is live because its supply comes through the equipment.

In the case of domestic electrics its a complete no-no, even more so on lighting circuits where with the switch off you don't expect to have live in the lampholder eg when changing a bulb or accidentally smashing one.

I'm really surprised they permit lighting circuits to be rcd-free in the current regulations, you can see the logic of the problem if a whole lighting circuit goes down, but with it being common that people change bulbs and light-fittings it seems to be contrary to the whole concept of having rcds at all.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Fitting bathroom lights need help [Re: yr20405] #1048284
24th Nov 2017 3:41pm
24th Nov 2017 3:41pm
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 84
wirral
Y
yr20405 Offline OP
Member
yr20405  Offline OP
Member
Y
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 84
wirral
Thanks. I'll get someone to look at it.


Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
ELECTORAL ROLLS
by moretonkiwi. 2nd Dec 2020 2:45am
Recommended Tree Surgeons
by gray153. 1st Dec 2020 12:19pm
Grosjean is lucky to be alive.
by mikeeb. 30th Nov 2020 9:56am
8mm film digital conversion
by MerseyMan. 30th Nov 2020 9:46am
Bins not emptied.
by mikeeb. 30th Nov 2020 9:32am
For Sale & Free
FREE kids wallpaper
by gerry1. 30th Nov 2020 5:59pm
fire station
by gerry1. 30th Nov 2020 2:20pm
castle for sale
by gerry1. 30th Nov 2020 2:07pm
laser x
by gerry1. 30th Nov 2020 1:45pm
PS4 PRO 1TB 4K BOXED WITH PT SILENT HILLS
by _Ste_. 25th Nov 2020 4:58pm
Member Spotlight
derekdwc
derekdwc
Birkenhead
Posts: 5,151
Joined: October 2008
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
AlbertAlan, darrelljon, EnglandPi, dave1162, RichardLLL
13584 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
ELECTORAL ROLLS
by moretonkiwi. 2nd Dec 2020 2:45am
Recommended Tree Surgeons
by gray153. 1st Dec 2020 12:19pm
Nilfisk pressure washers
by muzzy2. 30th Nov 2020 8:43am
Oxton Flats
by AndyT. 23rd Nov 2020 6:17pm
Pontins Southport
by mikeeb. 18th Nov 2020 1:13pm
News : New Topics
Bins not emptied.
by mikeeb. 30th Nov 2020 9:32am
Pensioner dies in prison
by _Ste_. 28th Nov 2020 12:40am
Tier 2 after lockdown
by mikeeb. 26th Nov 2020 11:40am
MP's pay rise
by diggingdeeper. 25th Nov 2020 9:34pm
Gladstone Theatre Vandalised
by diggingdeeper. 24th Nov 2020 9:17pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Grosjean is lucky to be alive.
by mikeeb. 30th Nov 2020 9:56am
8mm film digital conversion
by MerseyMan. 30th Nov 2020 9:46am
car stupidity
by lincle. 23rd Nov 2020 8:46am
car sales
by lincle. 19th Nov 2020 4:54pm
Ban on sales of petrol and diesel cars and vans.
by mikeeb. 18th Nov 2020 10:50am
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Wed 8:08am
Sunset Wed 3:56pm
Local Time Wed 11:57am
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1