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Any ideas please.

Games for 3 pre-school age children, and a 5 yr old.

Outdoor games or indoor games

They have nothing. When I say nothing I mean nothing. Living in a forest without trees and grass.

It won't make sense to you , but that's how it is.

So far I have thought of

Egg and spoon

Snail Hopscotch

Pass the parcel( stone)

Dancing and singing

Items hidden in a box or tin, and they have to remember them.

These children need stimulation in the most basic ways.

Oh hell !

I'll tell you the story, then it makes it more sense.

Syria ! There is a little family, Dad, 4 children and 75yr old granny. Granny is ill and doesn't know what is the matter.

Can't afford a doctor, and doctor probably can't get through anyway.

Unicef, won't deal with individual families.

Save the Children are unable to give assistance unless the family can reach them or a point of help.

They are living in a massive bombed out place on their own. Far in the country in a rebel held area. Described by their dad as a forest (but not like the forests we know).

Granny and the 4 children sleep in one area on a mattress together. They are eating lots of eggs.

They have no electricity or hot water. They cannot go anywhere because they are trapped. Nobody can get to them because of the rebels blocking roads.

They cannot wash their clothes and dry them now it is cold.

No money can be sent because the banks block the transactions to Syria. (probably couldn't pick it up anyway.)

The mother of the children left them and fled.

They have no body else anywhere and the children are lonely for the company of other children, making them fractious and being like any other bored children would be.

No pencils, crayons, books , or anything.

Not able to send parcels of clothes or anything either.

This has been their little lives for the last 4/5 years.

I've been trying to think of things that will give granny a rest as she is raising them on a daily basis, and also for their development and keeping them occupied.

Any and all suggestions will be welcome. Thank you.

We are so damn lucky, and still we complain. cry


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I'd think money or goods that they could trade would be more relevant for the situation, gives them much more flexibility to meet their needs.

I'd be concerned how you expect anything to get there?


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The awful, terrible reality is that there will not be just one family in such a situation and there is precious little we can do as individuals apart from lobbying the powers that be to end this horrible war.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
I'd think money or goods that they could trade would be more relevant for the situation, gives them much more flexibility to meet their needs.

I'd be concerned how you expect anything to get there?


I don't expect anything to get there. That is what I was trying to point out. There isn't even an address, so far as I know.

I was trying to ask for ideas of games, to keep the children occupied and interested. Games where they don't need anything apart form their health and nature.

Sorry, maybe I didn't quite get the point across. Who would they trade with ? There's no one, i.e. unless they go into the zone were and the rebels would probably take anything they had including their lives.

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Originally Posted by Salmon
The awful, terrible reality is that there will not be just one family in such a situation and there is precious little we can do as individuals apart from lobbying the powers that be to end this horrible war.


You are right Salmon, probably many more hiding from fear. It's so helpless and the world looks on, unable to do anything.


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Is this just hypothetical? How are you in communication with them?


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No it's not bloody hypothetical. How do you communicate ?

Granny at the end.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Is this just hypothetical? How are you in communication with them?


Sorry , I was bit irate at the moment.

For all the charities in the world and all the institutions, they can do nothing.
Phoned GP surgery ( I didn't want to waste their time initially)and gave the back ground and symptoms of the granny. Well we would have to see her to diagnose. All I wanted was some advice on whether or not a gentle form of exercise could relieve the pain a bit, and if it could be worse for her if the symptoms were due to a more serious complaint. No they say, we'd have to see her.

FFS !



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Add to that, Save the Children told me to phone my MP !!

Could he tell where the nearest point of contact is out there if they are at some point able to reach civilisation ? No, look on our webpage.
I look on the webpage and there's nowt indicating anything, just 'give us your money'.






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Seriously, how do you communicate in an isolated spot surrounded by rebels and no electricity.

Itís a sad world out there, be careful.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Seriously, how do you communicate in an isolated spot surrounded by rebels and no electricity.

Itís a sad world out there, be careful.


He has an unpaid job not too far away which he attend . So I assume he has electricity there to charge a mobile. As nobody ended up getting paid after the owner jumped ship and flew off to a better place, all the other workers left. He is on his own there.

He hardly knows English and so every communication I translate. Not always exact either.

There are a couple of other people in touch with him from UK, and I think he just wants to have some sort of outside contact with the world. I am being careful, and at this point nothing has been raised which is questionable. He is not wanting money, and a) I wouldn't send any b) as stated earlier it won't reach him, and I think is ok for food as he has sheep ,goats and some sort of egg laying birds. Apart from that I don't know.

Do you think I'm being silly DD or not being very smart with this guy , if you know what I mean ?

Anyway, the prime question was about kids games, which I can send instructions for from youtube. New ideas to keep the kids out of granny's hair. I can't remember any of the old fashioned game really apart from top and whip and they won't have those.


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This is the area. Looks like there might be a glimmer light at the end of the tunnel.

http://www.syriahr.com/en/?p=78797


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Seriously, how do you communicate in an isolated spot surrounded by rebels and no electricity.

Itís a sad world out there, be careful.
was thinking the same thing, if no one can get in or out and they can't get word out how did they get to granny (wikiwirral not granny in pic) I smell fake news confused



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Seriously, how do you communicate in an isolated spot surrounded by rebels and no electricity.

Itís a sad world out there, be careful.
was thinking the same thing, if no one can get in or out and they can't get word out how did they get to granny (wikiwirral not granny in pic) I smell fake news confused


No I don't think so , because I didn't say they couldn't get word out. I think I said they had nobody else, meaning family.( I think I did)

It's funny how we read and pick up a different a message. Not having a pop assasin, we all do it , it just seems odd the way we anticipate.


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I must be missing a trick here,but Granny how did you get involved in this sad case or do you not want to say?

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Animals , Salmon !




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Get in touch with the Red Cross, they are doing a lot of work through SARC who can get near enough anywhere in Syria.


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Thank YOU, DD. I did not know that. Hope springs eternal. laugh


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So granny is the man you are communicating with by phone, the same guy that was a keeper , and stayed on unpaid to look after the remaining animals as best he could?I think we had a thread about it on here earlier in the year didnt we?

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It is Venice, by internet. The worst of it is, these young American journalists who want a 'scoop' from sitting at a desk inside their office, and publishing articles in international magazines about the rescue , have either told complete untruths, wanted to fabricate or have lost the truth in the translation.

Fortunately, Princess Alia of Jordan, who set up the wildlife centre for rescued animals (where those animals went to) spoke up for him, and tried to put the record straight. Unfortunately, not so many would have seen her explanation and justification for the animals being in such poor health.

I can vouch for the truth as I have seen the communications he made with various Animals Charities to save them, including the responses he received . He sent, pictures and videos showing their plight. His pleas were not listened to, for far too long.

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As he has internet, is it possible for him to access things to amuse and stimulate the children, on the internet ? Simple things like this that dont really need words .http://www.happyclicks.net/baby_games/14-baby-games-owlies.php ,,,or cartoons?


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Thanks Venice, for your input.

I did send 'The Snowman' to him . He was pleased and said he would show it as their bedtime story.


There are various ones like 'The Teletubbies' and 'In The Night Garden' in Arabic too, although I did wonder if that might be too much of a culture shock for his children ! smile I never did understand them either.

I shall look up what you suggest, and these are the things that can help them. thumbsup Thank you.... anymore ?


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You'll have to explain DD?

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Atually granny , Im not sure why he wouldnt just access this sort of thing himself though his normal search engine if the children are bored ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfQVCQq_uJ4 .

Without wishing to sound uncompassionate ,and I definitely dont wish to upset you, but something just doesnt feel quite right about this scenario somehow . Im quite sure the guy and his family exist, but ---- I just cant put my finger on it , but surely there is more to the situation .

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[youtube]CfQVCQq_uJ4[/youtube]

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Thanks Sunny, I still havent learned how to get links into pics.

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Originally Posted by venice
You'll have to explain DD?


It the location of the zoo, thought people may like to see.


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Originally Posted by venice
Atually granny , Im not sure why he wouldnt just access this sort of thing himself though his normal search engine if the children are bored ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfQVCQq_uJ4 .

Without wishing to sound uncompassionate ,and I definitely dont wish to upset you, but something just doesnt feel quite right about this scenario somehow . Im quite sure the guy and his family exist, but ---- I just cant put my finger on it , but surely there is more to the situation .
Probably because he's a bit dim, to be honest. That's half the problem ! Country yokel laugh


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Originally Posted by sunnyside
[youtube]CfQVCQq_uJ4[/youtube]


Perfect Sunnyside. Thanks.


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DD, have you put that up for a specific reason for my benefit ? Please tell me what you are thinking. I need to know if anyone has any concerns about all this. Venice seems to, and I need straight talk and thinking. Please

It was more than a zoo, it was a theme park too.




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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
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You'll have to explain DD?


It the location of the zoo, thought people may like to see.


Ah right , ok. Looks a godforsaken place now , doesnt it. What are the highly regimented 'dot' areas to the South and SE of the Aleppo -Damascus Way? Young trees? If so ,what a strange thing to plant when growing food must surely be much more important?


granny, Im a very cynical mistrustful person , its probably something and nothing , just such an unusual scenario that it seems weird, but I guess quite possible.



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DD. you have raised Alam Al Sihr

When it is Aalim al-sahar .


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Originally Posted by venice
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
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You'll have to explain DD?


It the location of the zoo, thought people may like to see.


Ah right , ok. Looks a godforsaken place now , doesnt it. What are the highly regimented 'dot' areas to the South and SE of the Aleppo -Damascus Way? Young trees? If so ,what a strange thing to plant when growing food must surely be much more important?


granny, Im a very cynical mistrustful person , its probably something and nothing , just such an unusual scenario that it seems weird, but I guess quite possible.




I don't think it's the same place, Venice, as explained above. What I am wondering about is the differing reports that have been made in the press about this rescue mission. There are conflicting reports from all over the world. Confusion sets in.


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Re: Games for children [Re: granny] #1047912
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I've kept quiet about this Granny because I like Venice have concerns about this. You say no money has been asked for (yet) but he's certainly putting a drain on your emotions. Think I've got to agree with Lollipop on this , too far away and not much that one person can do to help . Think you'll have to leave it to the relevant agencies and hope that one day things will mprove over there. How does he afford to maintain a mobile phone and keep it going?

Re: Games for children [Re: cools] #1047913
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There is so much surrounding all of this, I agree , and I don't ask him any questions of the ins and outs of things, nor the political side of anything either. With that in mind, stuff I have picked up on and related to various reports, just makes everything questionable and he seems to be the pawn.

A) The owner of the Theme park/zoo was said to have fled the country in 2011 to America.
B) I found tonight a brief statement that he was kidnapped from in front of his house in March 2012.

c) One report stated that he had given the zoo keeper enough money for 15 years to look after the animals.

d) zoo keeper says, he wasn't given anything and the owner said he didn't want the animals and the zoo keeper could do what he wanted with them. But he couldn't because he didn't have the papers required ( animal passports)

e) The zoo keeper had worked for the owner for 15 yrs. That I think has been lost in translation somewhere, when it was written that he had been given enough money for 15 yrs , or in Chinese whispers.

f) it was said that the zoo keepers brother, who was killed when his car drove into a wall as he was going to get food for the animals , due to an ariel attack , that he was a member of Al Qaeda . Zoo keeper denies this and said he was a freedom fighter.
g) Al Qaeda have been diluted a lot apparently, and the USA have been backing them and the freedom fighters against all the other factions in the area. ( basically against Assad)

h) The owner of the zoo said the zoo keeper had sold endangered species of cats to his friend in Lebanon, and when his friend said "I have the cats, did you receive the money", ($40,000) he hadn't received the money. Pointing the finger at the zoo keeper

i) The zoo keeper cannot get out of the country, so he didn't take the animals to Lebanon. Money cannot be transferred into bank accounts in Syria, so he didn't get the money. $40,000 seems a heck of a lot for a couple of big cats anyway. And nobody would give that sort of money in cash to anyone, to deposit in a bank account in another country.

I also wonder that if the owner was kidnapped, it could have been by the USA, and that is how he ended up in America, if they were backing the freedom fighters .

Lets be honest everyone out there is a fighter of one sort or another, due to the very nature of the situation. Fight or be killed and slaughtered.

I believe him when he says his situation, I've seen too many pictures and videos. He also has posted a lot on his social media site, in a way of getting his story out there.So he's not hiding too much and not asking for any rewards, just for the truth to be known.

So far as his phone goes Cools, I don't know how it works out there . The whole system has collapsed so far as I can make out. This is not info from him, just my inquisitive mind, searching for some understanding. Money can be obtained from kiosks as the banks have gone under or bombed and there's probably a lot of crooked things going on,also bartering , as it does in all wars, and I'm quite sure he'd be capable of joining the happy throng if needs be.

No one can be trusted, not even the doctors as nobody knows if the doctors are genuine or not.

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Re: Games for children [Re: granny] #1047914
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Fairly sure it is the same place as I found it as Magic World Zoo, Aleppo, plus you can compare the google aerial to various photos of the zoo.

Alam Al Sihr is marked as the restaurant and translates roughly to The Pain of the Charm (I guess they sell strong curries).

Its the internet, of course I have concerns. One thing that very much concerned me was your intensity, that is sometimes an indication that someone is being played, there is quite a difference between intensity and passion even though desperation links the two.

The area has been secured and the whole province was declared ISIS free in June 2017. Aleppo itself was free'd in December 2016 and most of the problem was eastern Aleppo. The Government has already spent more than $7bn on repairs in Aleppo in that time, its developed enough that electricity was returned to Aleppo in September 2017. All indications are that it is unlikely there is an area surrounded by rebels.

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not 100% but balance of probabilities makes me more than concerned. Try asking a tricky question like the tail number of the aeroplane outside the zoo, I doubt anyone can find that answer easily on the internet.


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Re: Games for children [Re: diggingdeeper] #1047916
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Hey , I saw that too and wondered why there would be an aeroplane on such good nick in such a shattered place.
This is the trouble, too many unanswered questions, and I know you are pointing me in the right direction for which I am grateful.

My greatest involvement with this has been the animals, contacting the rescue centres and getting updates on the progress of them. I do think he is getting past the trauma of all that, so once I know he is moving forward a bit, I will abandon . As you say Aleppo, is getting a bit on it's feet now, although in the Western outskirts where they are, there was continued 10 days of fighting which only stopped last Thursday at his area .
That plane is a mystery !

ISIS free, but two other groups have been battling since then.Far too many groups to get a handle on it.

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Re: Games for children [Re: granny] #1047917
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Originally Posted by granny
....in the Western outskirts where they are, there was continued 10 days of fighting which only stopped last Thursday at his area ......


I can't find any reference to that, the South West has been the evacuation route since last year.


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Re: Games for children [Re: diggingdeeper] #1047918
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Re: Games for children [Re: granny] #1047919
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granny SOHR is a one man band who isnt even in Syria, hes in Coventry. I wouldnt rely on any reporting from his source as being very accurate, more heresay.

Im glad youre thinking of stepping back a bit , I think you do more than your fair share of worrying about both animals and people, and you must be careful not to allow yourself to get too drained as cools said.

Re: Games for children [Re: venice] #1047920
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The UN seem to give credence to SOHR, and Amnesty says it is 'generally ,very good'. So, I don't know.

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Re: Games for children [Re: granny] #1047921
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Just realized you said he has a social media site. Can you post a link to it and to a translation site for his language please. Id be interested to have a look

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