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#1046775 - 1st Nov 2017 1:01am Red or White Poppies
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This has been going on for years but seems to have raised it's head , again.

The white poppy does not give the proceeds to charity, it just claws back to make more poppies ?( Maybe a bit questionable.)

Heated discussion on here, but what do you think ?

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#1046777 - 1st Nov 2017 8:53am Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: granny]
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The white poppy appeal started in 1933 ( I thought it was very recent) and is to educate people into preventing wars. The money raised goes towards this goal not just to make more poppies.
I think the red poppy is more worthy as the money raised goes to help those in need caused by war.

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#1046779 - 1st Nov 2017 9:29am Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: granny]
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So a guy whose career is war thinks preventing wars is bad, hardly a surprise.

The white poppy came about (symbolically) in 1916, the red in 1918 (or generally in 1921). The monetary appeals started later in both cases.
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#1046782 - 1st Nov 2017 9:52am Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: granny]
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I don't think that is what they were trying to get across. What is being called for is the white poppy remembrance to be held at a different time of year.

The money raised from sales of the white poppy does not go to those who need it , where as the funds raised from the British Legion's red poppy do.

That makes sense to me, sell them (white) on a different day or month if it's a pacifists dream.. the guy interviewed really admitted that it is a protest for all war dead, including ISIS ! That's pretty insulting for many.


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#1046804 - 1st Nov 2017 1:53pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: granny]
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I am basically a pacifist but my dad fought in WW2. I always wear a red poppy. I agree with granny. The British Legion is a worthy cause with the money going to those who need it.

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#1046806 - 1st Nov 2017 2:08pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: granny]
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I would never wear a white poppy, although I too would like to see a peaceful world, never happen though..Red poppies to me represent the blood spilt and sacrifices made trying to protect us and this time should be reflected, respected, and remembered upon..British Legion do a great job.

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#1046807 - 1st Nov 2017 3:57pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
The money raised from sales of the white poppy does not go to those who need it


Don't we all need less wars?
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#1046808 - 1st Nov 2017 4:06pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
Originally Posted By: granny
The money raised from sales of the white poppy does not go to those who need it


Don't we all need less wars?



fewer

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#1046814 - 1st Nov 2017 4:50pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: granny]
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One has to marvel at the doublethink that must exist to simultaneously believe that the country is grateful to the victims of the war, but stops short of providing for them so that they do not have to rely on charity.

The whole remembrance industry is aimed at persuading young people that there is something noble about fighting for 'your country' against the country of others. There isn't of course. It is a murderous pointless filthy vicious and cruel activity.

I have no idea why politicians and generals who are the people responsible for these wars are allowed anywhere near these tasteful ceremonies either. The sheer hypocrisy of it makes me want to throw up.

Wars are things to forget, not to turn into a glorious adventure. We need to stop the whole remembrance industry.

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#1046823 - 1st Nov 2017 5:08pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: Spellbinder]
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Originally Posted By: Spellbinder
Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
Originally Posted By: granny
The money raised from sales of the white poppy does not go to those who need it


Don't we all need less wars?



fewer

I am not totally certain that fewer is the correct word as I am pretty sure it would be impossible to say exactly how many wars are going on at any one time.


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#1046825 - 1st Nov 2017 5:36pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: granny]
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"Fewer" is correct - "less" is incorrect.

The sentence "Don't we all need less war" would be correct.

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#1046827 - 1st Nov 2017 5:45pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: Excoriator]
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One has to marvel at the doublethink that must exist to simultaneously believe that the country is grateful to the victims of the war, but stops short of providing for them so that they do not have to rely on charity.

The whole remembrance industry is aimed at persuading young people that there is something noble about fighting for 'your country' against the country of others. There isn't of course. It is a murderous pointless filthy vicious and cruel activity.

I have no idea why politicians and generals who are the people responsible for these wars are allowed anywhere near these tasteful ceremonies either. The sheer hypocrisy of it makes me want to throw up.

Wars are things to forget, not to turn into a glorious adventure. We need to stop the whole remembrance industry.


Not far away from your opinion but when you have nut jobs like Hitler and Isis pacifism is not the solution. So fighting for your country or other people should not be seen as wrong. Is victory something to celebrate? No problem with a quiet sombre remembrance but the glorification especially by the movie industry doesn't help

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#1046832 - 1st Nov 2017 6:00pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: granny]
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We forced Germany into the situation that created WW2 and hence gave Hitler his power, Germany had a choice between that or becoming the poorest nation on the planet and literally starving to death.

The lead up to ISIS is because of a plethora of other countries interfering in domestic situations but ignoring things like international drug trading.

I agree with Excoriator other than the horror of war should be imprinted on everybody's mind to ensure it doesn't happen yet again - unfortunately its not imprinted on enough people in the USA and the UK keeping on playing slave boy.
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#1046835 - 1st Nov 2017 6:32pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: Spellbinder]
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Originally Posted By: Spellbinder
"Fewer" is correct - "less" is incorrect.

The sentence "Don't we all need less war" would be correct.



My point was that fewer is used when the number can be counted and as I said I do not believe it is possible to count the the number of wars going on at any one time.

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#1046854 - 1st Nov 2017 11:17pm Re: Red or White Poppies [Re: granny]
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Few is correct I think. Wars are countable events. Whether it is practical to do the counting or not doesn't matter

That said, this is OUR language, not that of grammatical experts, and if we want to use less rather than fewer, we have every right to go ahead and damn well use it! The grammatical experts will just have to rewrite their textbooks to reflect the change.

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