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Interesting article on whether a change in public opinion is underway here from Peter Kellner:

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/...are-voters-really-turning-against-brexit

Surely, if neither the EU nor the UK wants to go ahead with brexit, there is no reason why they have to carry on with it, whatever pieces of paper have been signed or articles triggered.

As to paying £60 billion, I don't see a problem, provided it is paid after we leave. The pound will have plunged so much it will probably be worth only a couple of Euros!

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It's all propaganda. The fact that I was talking to a couple yesterday from your homeland in Wales, and who voted to remain in the EU in the referendum, they voluntarily said that they would now vote to leave if there was another referendum.

Let's not forget, that most of LONDON are the complainants in all of this, have been since the first day and will continue to complain and cast doubt on the result until they get what they want. Maybe that's why the article shows a picture of Newcastle, an attempt to divert the attention away from Londoners. They also seem to think that anyone up north still wears clogs and cloth caps without a brain cell. That would include you too, Ex.
One sure way of making the housing market continue to rise, is to stay in the EU, and London would do very well out of it , so would all the foreign owners of property, such as landlords, investments etc.

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Article 50 has been triggered, there is no way to cancel it, By agreement with the EU they could extend the termination period to an indefinite time ..... but I can't see the EU agreeing to that without some sort of concession against us.


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What could they do if we just DID extend it without their blessing ?

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Originally Posted by venice
What could they do if we just DID extend it without their blessing ?


We can't, after 2 years it automatically stops unless both parties agree otherwise.


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What stops ?Brexit? So is that the Govt's default plan maybe? So are you saying the ability to Brexit expires and we go back to the status quo, or what position does it leave us in ?

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I am pretty sure that if the UK decided not to go ahead with brexit, the EU would be perfectly happy for us to remain.

And the commons can do that if a majority feel that a 'no deal' brexit would not be to our benefit. Clearly it ISN'T to the UK's benefit - it would be disastrous - and many conservative MPs are of this opinion as well as almost all Labour, the SNP. the Lib Dems and most others with a grain of sense.

It should also be remembered that British business is pretty well united too, that a no-deal brexit would be a disaster for them. And they are the people who supply the Tory party with 98 to 99% of their funds.

If tory brexiteers want it to go ahead they are going to have to get a good deal, and the way they have managed things so far makes this pretty unlikely.

I don't see 'article 50' changing anything. If both the UK and the EU decide to call off leaving, then this piece of paper will be swiftly changed or 'reinterpreted' to allow it. I think Tusk has already stated the EU's readiness to accept the end of brexit if the EU changes its mind.

I remain optimistic that brexit will not happen. I suspect, also, that it will finish the tory party as a plausible political entity. A very good thing too in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Moonstar
Seems to me that those who have some modicum of power are intent on muddying the waters to increase the profitability to their own ends. We had a democratic vote ergo the powers that be must abide by that.


only they don't need to abide by an consultative referendum. It wasn't a decision, there wasn't a winning line, there was't a prize only advice..
37% of those eligible to vote wished to leave, 35% to remain and 28% didn't say. That's all it was, an advisory referendum, all that results is advice...

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Originally Posted by granny
It's all propaganda. The fact that I was talking to a couple yesterday from your homeland in Wales, and who voted to remain in the EU in the referendum, they voluntarily said that they would now vote to leave if there was another referendum.

Let's not forget, that most of LONDON are the complainants in all of this


http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/brexit-one-year-on-has-sunderland-changed-its-mind-1-8611384

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