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It's going to be fun to see those who 'can't bear' the thought of Corbyn getting in when he does so.

I think the conservative party is going through its death throes at the moment, so there will be - in Thatchers words 'No Alternative'

A party that is almost 100% financed by private business donors is not a party at all. It is lobby group. The political wing seems to be composed if inept chancers who put climbing the greasy pole before any social responsibility. The sooner it vanishes up its own fundament with a pop leaving only an evil sulphurous smell the better.

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Originally Posted by Excoriator
It's going to be fun to see those who 'can't bear' the thought of Corbyn getting in when he does so.

I think the conservative party is going through its death throes at the moment, so there will be - in Thatchers words 'No Alternative'

A party that is almost 100% financed by private business donors is not a party at all. It is lobby group. The political wing seems to be composed if inept chancers who put climbing the greasy pole before any social responsibility. The sooner it vanishes up its own fundament with a pop leaving only an evil sulphurous smell the better.


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Anyone curious about the sort of trade deals available from countries outside the EU need look no further than Bombardier.

If we were intending to stay within the EU, I guess one might be able to ask the EU to apply sanctions against Boeing aircraft coming into the EU which might actually have an effect on the Boeing company. The UK buys too few of them to make much difference one way or the other.

It would be very embarrassing for our hapless government to do that now.

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I suspect its always been that way.

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Originally Posted by Excoriator
Anyone curious about the sort of trade deals available from countries outside the EU need look no further than Bombardier.


Bombardier received a subsidy outside of WTO rules, the WTO has gone even further than the initial tariff to compensate for the subsidy.


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Keep reading the odd anti brexit propaganda item slipping into news.. How we can vote to come back in if we change our minds, etc etc. Me thinks the whole tory fiasco will be used to stumble and slow brexit to the point that the next election may be an in out vote on Europe.

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If you want to leave, you need to plan how you are going to do it well before doing so, and make preparations for how the country will exist after we've left. You also need a half-competent government to push it through.

Fail on either of these and you are looking at major problems. Dail on both counts and I really don't see it succeeding.

If we leave, we will have to meet the criteria for membership laid down by the EU. This may be very different from current rules, and without the UK's involvement they are most unlikely to suit us.

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I see Emily Thornberry, whose opinion I have a great deal of respect for, now believes we are heading for 'no deal'.

The government is still giving conflicting signals to the EU with the PM suggesting we will pay a lot more than £20 billion to get the talks moving whilst Liam Fox is spouting nonsense about making any payment depend on the terms of a good trade deal! Like it or not, it is the EU that defines the terms of the negotiations and they have made this impossible. Does Fox not know this?

A poll a day or so back on how the government was doing on brexit found three-quarters of the country saying it was doing badly. With public opinion like that, it is pretty certain that any deal will be found wanting and rejected. A 'no deal' solution is the worst possible outcome, and everyone knows it.

What an appalling mess it all is. I do not see how ANY sort of sensible deal in ANY area can be agreed when you have such a massively split government.

I am pretty sure that a 'no-deal' brexit will not get through our Parliament and the brexit thing will be stopped in its tracks. Those people who called glibly for 'Sovereignty' will have time to reflect that they have it. Their Sovereign Parliament will have spoken for them.

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Hitler tried to bomb the stuffing out of the British People and failed...now it seems the EU has us by the short and curlies.. All the EU politicians want to be made to walk past every British and Commonwealth war grave

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Originally Posted by fish5133
Hitler tried to bomb the stuffing out of the British People and failed...now it seems the EU has us by the short and curlies.. All the EU politicians want to be made to walk past every British and Commonwealth war grave


Well said, that man. Basically, EU politicians don't give a stuff about us, just so long as Germany rises from the ashes, once again, all is well with her French poodle at her side. Lets' not forget that it was the Germans AND the French who ran the Jews almost off the cliff edge and all the way down to Marseilles to escape by the ship load. They still have the same cultural mind set, and so far as Poland and a few more besides are concerned, they are all looking out for their own. So why shouldn't we ?
Bloody sick of the lot of it to be truthful. I had to laugh tonight when the BBC reported that Madrid might close down Catalonia's National TV service due to it being pro-independence ! Ha ha ha ha ha ! I'm surprised the BBC even had the nerve to report such a claim, coming from them it's a joke. (as pro-remainers)

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Spain seems to be wielding the rod atm. and has flavours of Franco. I bet if a civil war started all the pro-remainers' here would soon change their minds. Get out quick, instead of worrying about the interest to be accumulated on their millions or crashing investments. OMG what would they all do. Particularly that sultry madam Thornberry. She is vile and a snob if ever there was ( she's not really what labour are about is she ? ) Well connected and all that. Daddy a big noise in the UN and NATO. No, she's not for this place much longer, she'll be off to cast her seductive glare on any unsuspecting fool of a guy to give her a glance. Could that be somewhere in Europe ? Yes, almost certainly..with husband who at present is a Judge of the High Court of England and Wales,Rt Hon Christopher Nugee, no less and could well have his sights set on promotion in Europe taking Emily or should I say Lady Nugee with him ?
Really can't stand the woman... how dare she pretend to care for anyone other than herself as she rents out her properties at extortionate amounts.

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Spains problems are its own not those of the EU. You should surely be celebrating the fact that that country is still sovereign and can manage its own affairs without the EU. If it DID step in, you would be no doubt attacking it for overruling a sovereign government.

As to likening the present situation with WW2 with Hitler dropping bombs on us, that is even more deranged! The point is that everything bad that is happening in brexit is OUR FAULT. You can't blame the French or the Germans or any other perfidious foreigner for it. It is all the fault of a short-sighted Cameron government, the cretins who swallowed the guff from Boris and Co, and not a hopelessly inept May government. It is like watching a lunatic attempting to jump off a cliff but who is too deranged to know how to do it!

Don't blame Hitler, fish and granny. Blame yourselves for this one.


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Originally Posted by Excoriator
The point is that everything bad that is happening in brexit is OUR FAULT. You can't blame the French or the Germans or any other perfidious foreigner for it. It is all the fault of a short-sighted Cameron government, the cretins who swallowed the guff from Boris and Co, and not a hopelessly inept May government.


I'd challenge that and say it is Gordon Brown's fault for signing up to the Treaty of Lisbon. He (and other EU leaders) knew if he had a referendum then the UK was probably going to vote down the Maastricht Treat so they re-worded it and called it the Treaty of Lisbon. One of the most undemocratic acts by the EU and the UK.

Its a crazy situation where the Government is signing off all these treaties and yet it hasn't even got a proper treaty with its own people ie a proper and current Bill of Rights. If a Government is signing away any significant part of of sovereignty then we should have a referendum.

The Treaty of Lisbon was a huge step on the way to the United States of Germany, it was more significant than us joining the common market in the first place.


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