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Originally Posted by dustymclean
The figures are reality! I voted to remain and posted my intention on Wiki. I would now vote to leave given the chance. Farmers are subsidised not to grow food in a starving World and countries that call themselves democracies thwart the peoples will.


The set-aside scheme was closed down 10 years ago though the media still think its a good story.

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EU wants control of YOUR pension: Brussels' secret plan REVEALED


The United States of Germany, we ignored what was happening on the lead up to WW2, we have ignored what was set up after WW2 and its gradually coming to fruition.


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A rose by any other name--set aside is now tree planting to harvest in twenty years,returning wet lands for wild fowl and must have housing land banked and bought on the cheap..

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[quote=snowhite]Anyone hear Teresa May speech today???

Listened to about 15 minutes in lunch break. Thought it was actually not that bad a speech...thought the same about Corbyns as well. May seemed a little more utopian than Corbyn did. As for substance they all make promises.. Wish they had tasered that comedian guy... terrible lapse of security and in Manchester of all places...
Daughter and her fiancée are at the ED Sheeran concert in Manchester so hope security is better.

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[quote=snowhite] terrible lapse of security and in Manchester of all places...
Reckon Mr May will be in Spare 'Oom tonight!! laffin

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Here's one to start with. Even Macron was going on about it again last week,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...plans-for-common-EU-corporation-tax.html

France and Germany want to see common basic corporation tax rates across the EU, according to reports


So?

It's nothing to do with us once we are out.

I expect they are concerned about a 'race to the bottom' between member nations, each reducing corporation tax. The UK seems to be keen to have such a race, and once out it can do so. Even within the EU, the UK could, of course, veto it across the EU but that's one of the things we give up by leaving.

You ask me to substantiate my claims.....then you don't like it.
Here's another should we have stayed in the EU .

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ssels-secret-plan-revealed-David-Cameron

EU wants control of YOUR pension: Brussels' secret plan REVEALED

The European Union is planning a power grab for the UK welfare state in a bid to take control of pensions, benefits and the minimum wage.


Perhaps I would like it more if you could tell me what claim of yours this is supposed to be substantiating. As it won't happen until we're out it appears to be utterly irrelevant.

I would not attempt to believe the Express, by the way. That way lies madness! Its politics is worse than its health advice: PRUNES CAUSE CANCER on Monday. BRITISH SCIENTISTS FINE PRUNES CURE CANCER the following Friday!

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Come off it Granny. The Express is a joke. Look at today's headline. When all the other papers are accurately describing the hilariously shambolic performance I witnessed using words like 'disaster' and 'chaotic' the Express is saying "TRUST THERESA'S FIGHTING SPIRIT" and describing how she 'spelled out her vision' of the future (albeit with half the letters missing).

It still babbles mindlessly about 'The Empire' and seems to think 'Maddie' is still alive - unlike Princess Di. - murdered by MI5 on the orders of the Duke of Ed.

To say it has 'issues' with reality is understating it by orders of magnitude. You have to be gaga to read it, other than as a laugh.

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without taking your socks off "How many letters did drop off" (albeit with half the letters missing) As a witness both reports seem to have it wrong.The lady was not well FFS. (more spin)

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I have no idea how many letters fell off. F-off was the one that springs to mind!

What I found more interesting was that the replacement for the 'Strong and stable' message of yore was clearly a rather feeble response to Labour's "For the Many, Not the few" message which hasn't changed.

The proposed cap on fuel charges was another attempt to out-Labour Labour. The party is clearly moribund, and is not producing original ideas, but simply aping the opposition.

A very poor speech throughout in my opinion. In particular, I noticed Mrs May admitted that the election campaign was 'Too scripted' whilst demonstrating that she'd learned nothing. So, very obviously, was her speech.

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Considering Jeremy Corbyn is no threat- I lost count of how many times his name was mentioned. At least 20 x more than any policy.

The Conference was an absolute shambles from beginning 'til the Dire End. Or should I say Bitter End...

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Originally Posted by Excoriator
I have no idea how many letters fell off. F-off was the one that springs to mind!

What I found more interesting was that the replacement for the 'Strong and stable' message of yore was clearly a rather feeble response to Labour's "For the Many, Not the few" message which hasn't changed.

The proposed cap on fuel charges was another attempt to out-Labour Labour. The party is clearly moribund, and is not producing original ideas, but simply aping the opposition.

A very poor speech throughout in my opinion. In particular, I noticed Mrs May admitted that the election campaign was 'Too scripted' whilst demonstrating that she'd learned nothing. So, very obviously, was her speech.


It was a sad disappointing effort. I suspect shes only agreed to be there now till the rest have decided her successor.

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Well, so many government ministers have expressed support for her that she is almost certain to go within days!

I suspect she is keeping them in check with the threat of calling an election!

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Please don't let it Bumbling Boris the Baffoon, the country will become more of a laughing stock than it already is.

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