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Online Hate Crime #1043374
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Well, this should get you all chunnering. Good or bad ?

From today the Crown Prosecution Service are looking to make online hate crime the same as that committed elsewhere.



Hate crimes committed on social media will be treated as seriously as similar street-based offences, according to new guidelines issued by the Crown Prosecution Service as they launch a crackdown on hate speech online.

Recognising the “corrosive effect” of hate crime on British society, Alison Saunders, the director of public prosecutions, announced the CPS will now revise prosecutions of such crimes “with the same robust and proactive approach used with offline offending”.

The changes could lead to a dramatic increase in those being prosecuted for posting prejudice attacks on social media platforms such as Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

Sorry there is quite a bit to digest.

Hate Crime What is it?

A Hate Incident is any incident which the victim, or anyone else, thinks is based on someones prejudice towards them because of their race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or because they are transgender.

If you, or anyone you know, has been called names, been bullied or had anything happen to them that you think may be because of one of these factors, then you should report this as a hate incident. Even if you dont want the incident to be investigated, it is important that the police know about it, so that they can build up a picture of how many incidents are happening and where. This information can help police investigating other hate incidents.

Not all hate incidents will amount to criminal offences, but those that do become hate crimes. The Association of Chief Police Officers and the CPS have agreed a common definition of hate crime: "Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender."
Types of Hate Crime

Race and religious hate crime

Racist and religious crime is particularly hurtful to victims as they are being targeted solely because of their personal identity, their actual or perceived racial or ethnic origin, belief or faith. These crimes can happen randomly or be part of a campaign of continued harassment and victimisation. We will not tolerate such crime.

You can read the CPS Policy on Prosecuting Racist & Religious Hate crimes in a number of
languages here.

Homophobic and transphobic hate crime

In the past, incidents against lesbian, gay, bisexual people or transgender people, have been rarely reported and even more rarely prosecuted. Research studies suggest that victims of, or witnesses to, such incidents have very little confidence in the criminal justice system. The CPS is committed to addressing this problem, ensuring crimes against our LGBT communities are tackled properly.

You can read the CPS policy on Prosecuting Homophobic and Transphobic Hate Crimes here.

Disability hate crime

Feeling and being unsafe through violence, harassment or negative stereotyping has a significant impact on disabled people's sense of security and wellbeing. It also impacts significantly on their ability to participate both socially and economically in their communities. The CPS takes disability hate crime seriously.

You can read the CPS policy on prosecuting Disability Hate Crimes here and there is an Easy Read version available here
Crimes against older people

Everyone has the right to feel safe and secure and to live free from the fear of crime. We know that feeling and being unsafe have significant negative impacts on older people's health and sense of well-being. Our policy, Prosecuting Crimes Against Older People, makes clear to older people, their families, communities and the general public that the CPS understands the serious implications of this type of crime. You can read the CPS Policy on Prosecuting Crimes against Older People here.

Linkn to the site above. http://www.cps.gov.uk/northeast/vict...es/hate_crime/

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I hope they have the resources to deal with all this. ..and that Alison Sanders should have thought it through properly, but we all know who has instigated this. One who crept in through the backdoor to make a fuss and be centre stage

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Re: Online Hate Crime [Re: granny] #1043375
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Bad, yet again they are sub-categorising for no apparent reason. A crime is a crime never mind who or what the victim is.


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Re: Online Hate Crime [Re: granny] #1043376
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Hate is an emotion just as love is, both have to be earned. I can love or hate anyone of any race,colour or sexuality.Religion is something else, I am not a fan of any religion but one in particular that I now can't mention for fear of prosecution, for me has earned it's self no love or respect from me. This country needs to wake up and realise hate works both ways.

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Hopefully, we will see less Islam-bashing as a result of this. Those who practice it - and it is quite common - seem unaware that it is a form of 'Radicalisation' in its effects on resentful young Muslim men.

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Beginning of the end of free speech!!!

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Originally Posted by cools
Beginning of the end of free speech!!!


Online, there's no such thing to start with. Most outlets are private and regulated anyway.

And "free speech" doesn't give you the right to harass or commit crime.

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People who complain that you are violating their right to speech do not have a proper understanding of their right to free speech.

The right to free speech involves restrictions put on that speech by the government.

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As far as I understand this, I agree it's needed for people who target individuals and cause alot of grief and that is hateful, trolls etc!..Generally though I think it will impact on what we will be prepared to post, another form of Political correctness, maybe I'm overthinking it!

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Huuum wonder if this covers The Royal Family bashing eh Ex....

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Originally Posted by Excoriator
Hopefully, we will see less Islam-bashing as a result of this. Those who practice it - and it is quite common - seem unaware that it is a form of 'Radicalisation' in its effects on resentful young Muslim men.


Well thanks for the lesson Ex, but the key word here is "resentful", why are they resentful? do they see themselves as disadvantaged? we have many disadvantaged people in this country from all religions and cultures, and if those terrorists that purport to represent their religion had not embarked on a war against alleged non believers and carried out atrocities against innocent people then the problem would not exist.

We have a government here that called trade unionists the "enemy within" ordinary working people trying to earn a living, is it not they that should be resentful? this is the same government that is now telling us that comments such as this are not allowed because they incite hate, funny old world isn't it? nono

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Originally Posted by cools
Huuum wonder if this covers The Royal Family bashing eh Ex....


I hope it does. They are in need of the same protection as anyone else.

You may note also that I have taken pains to attack the institution rather than the individuals who occupy it, despite holding them in some contempt for putting their own interests before those of the nation.

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Will any future gangs of chilld abusers be charged with any race hatred crimes for singling out white victims, I doubt it very much. We can't express our thoughts in words but they are seen to do just as they choose.There has to be respect given before it is returned.

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Originally Posted by cools
Huuum wonder if this covers The Royal Family bashing eh Ex....


I wonder if this will apply to the press to, and all the muck raking they do ?

There are very fine lines being drawn and one persons idea of online hate crime might press the 'alarm' button and be used as a retaliatory option for their own hate against someone.

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Does the so called hate crime have to be personally directed at an individual? becomes rather subjective if you express an opinion e.g. " I may be a bit old fashioned if I still feel uncomfortable about 2 men marrying e.g "Lily Savage" and his ballet dancer" Could either of them or any other homosexual person take offence at my opinion and report it?

You could be arrested for reading certain verses of the bible in public...a little ironic if taken to court and you have to take your oath with hand on the bible.

seems a minefield.

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How would it work if the 'online hate crime' was from someone in another country ? Every possibility considering USA are so biased, vocal and explicit.


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