Our Success is in our members who value our strength as a valued community.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,004,960
Topics74,355
Members12,652
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs22
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
51 registered members (alan128, 11 invisible), 977 guests, and308 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
Trump separating children from parents.
by venice. 20th Jun 2018 12:27pm
Happy Birthday Ste and Jase
by TRANCENTRAL. 12th Jun 2018 11:12pm
Written Warning - Really?
by diggingdeeper. 12th Jun 2018 10:18pm
Paul McCartney
by cools. 10th Jun 2018 7:03pm
New Wirral History
Davies Street
by Medicdeano. 11th Jun 2018 1:32pm
Submerged Church
by granny. 5th Jun 2018 11:42am
Birkenhead Priory - great place to visit
by yoller. 2nd Jun 2018 12:45pm
Ashville Road Sports Ground
by derekdwc. 26th May 2018 1:14pm
Day School Beckwith Street Birkenhead
by Poolie27. 25th May 2018 5:37pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Birkenhead Priory / Laird's crane today
Terracotta Warriors 2
Topic Replies
Police Presence In Kelvin Road
by _Ste_. 24th Jun 2018 1:54pm
More Brexit Lunacy
by diggingdeeper. 23rd Jun 2018 11:54pm
LEDs again
by diggingdeeper. 23rd Jun 2018 11:32pm
Giants to visit New Brighton Lighthouse
by cools. 23rd Jun 2018 10:30pm
Hydraulic Car Jacks - £10 both
by DavidB. 23rd Jun 2018 1:58pm
Nilfisk Compact 105 Pressure Washer - £30
by DavidB. 23rd Jun 2018 1:57pm
4 x 2gb DDR2 800mhz dimms
by gerrymoore. 22nd Jun 2018 10:34am
Finds from yesterday 13/06/18
by Gibbo. 22nd Jun 2018 10:07am
NHS RIP
by dingle. 21st Jun 2018 7:51am
June
M T W T F S S
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Giants to visit New Brighton Lighthouse
by cools. 23rd Jun 2018 10:30pm
Drive in Cinema, Birkenhead
by fish5133. 4th Jun 2018 10:43pm
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane Ship Mates #1043351
21st Aug 2017 4:29pm
21st Aug 2017 4:29pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,362
Wirral
granny Offline OP
Wiki Master
granny  Offline OP
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,362
Wirral
Ok...my darling Dad (Bob Flegg, aged 92) keeps asking me if I have had any luck finding fellow shipmates that served with him on HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane on the North Atlantic convoys during the Second World War...I haven't...so let's see if Facebook can help? PLEASE SHARE...someone might know someone...fingers crossed x

My grandfather was serving in the Merchant Navy on the Russian convoys & lost his life when his ship was lost with all hands after being torpedoed. Please tell your dad that many thousands of people will be eternally grateful for his efforts and hardships while trying to protect the convoys. I have the greatest respect for those who went to sea in ships that were not designed for the North Atlantic, but went anyway. Give him a big hug from me!

https://www.facebook.com/SpottedPor...7104/938669469605029/?type=3&theater


Attached Files
Last edited by Mark; 2nd Sep 2017 8:21am. Reason: Topic renamed

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Google Ads
Re: HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane Ship Mates [Re: granny] #1043352
21st Aug 2017 4:44pm
21st Aug 2017 4:44pm
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,283
Wirral
C
cools Offline
Forum Master
cools  Offline
Forum Master
C
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,283
Wirral
Arr hope they find someone. Wish them luck..

Re: HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane Ship Mates [Re: granny] #1043381
22nd Aug 2017 7:46am
22nd Aug 2017 7:46am
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,543
wallasey
C
casper Offline
Forum Addict
casper  Offline
Forum Addict
C
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,543
wallasey
The men of the Merchant Navy took part in the longest battle of the war, and stood alongside our armed forces (none of whom should be forgotten)but it is only recently they have been officially recognized for the part they played, all the best to them, and hope they find some of his old shipmates.

Re: HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane Ship Mates [Re: casper] #1043457
24th Aug 2017 12:07am
24th Aug 2017 12:07am
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,362
Wirral
granny Offline OP
Wiki Master
granny  Offline OP
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,362
Wirral

Just had a look, and see that over 30,000 Merchant Navy lost their lives. That's a lot of ships too !

Yes, I hope this chap finds an old ship mate . Thanks.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane Ship Mates [Re: granny] #1043555
26th Aug 2017 9:34am
26th Aug 2017 9:34am
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,543
wallasey
C
casper Offline
Forum Addict
casper  Offline
Forum Addict
C
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,543
wallasey
Just a few lines about the shabby way the Merchant Navy has been treated, they were not allowed to march to the Cenotaph until 2000 yet they fought and died along side our RN lads, one of the best known David and Goliath battles happened in 1940 between HMS Jervis Bay an armed merchant cruiser and Admiral Scheer a German cruiser, it is well documented so I wont go into detail, suffice to say the Captain of Jervis Bay was posthumously awarded a VC, of the 255 crew 105 where MN yet never appeared on any Cenotaph along with the RN lads they died with and only later on the MN Cenotaph in Liverpool, in the same convoy SS Beaverford also engaged Scheer in similar uneven contest but with just as much bravery, her crew Canadian MN.

Lest we forget.

Re: HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane Ship Mates [Re: granny] #1043556
26th Aug 2017 9:54am
26th Aug 2017 9:54am
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,605
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,605
Birkenhead
tbh I never understood why the merchant navy existed in wartime. If the Army needed miners they conscripted miners into the Army, why didn't the Navy do the same? It does seem a halfway bodge to avoid some responsibility to the valuable seafarers.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
Re: HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane Ship Mates [Re: diggingdeeper] #1043593
26th Aug 2017 6:14pm
26th Aug 2017 6:14pm
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,543
wallasey
C
casper Offline
Forum Addict
casper  Offline
Forum Addict
C
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,543
wallasey
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
tbh I never understood why the merchant navy existed in wartime. If the Army needed miners they conscripted miners into the Army, why didn't the Navy do the same? It does seem a halfway bodge to avoid some responsibility to the valuable seafarers.


Just as a matter of interest DD, if they were required to serve on ships along with RN personnel they were given a designation of T-124
Naval Auxiliary Personnel, although they remained on MN rates of pay, if they left the ship for any reason this title was then removed, I don't know if this applied to DEMS gunners on ordinary merchant ships because they were a mixture of army, navy and mn personnel.

Re: HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane Ship Mates [Re: granny] #1043604
27th Aug 2017 12:40am
27th Aug 2017 12:40am
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,605
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 11,605
Birkenhead
Thanks for that. The DEMS Gunners were always service personnel although they could be and were assisted by trained mn personnel who officially were called Merchant Seaman Gunners but in practice were commonly called DEMS Gunners.

I'll confess I don't know much about the Merchant Navy despite having worked next to many of them. I should do some reading.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
Re: HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane Ship Mates [Re: diggingdeeper] #1043608
27th Aug 2017 2:11am
27th Aug 2017 2:11am
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,362
Wirral
granny Offline OP
Wiki Master
granny  Offline OP
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,362
Wirral


HMS Jervis Bay was a convoy escort ship to Merchant Navy. (Didn't know about her, but now I do)
Understandable, as the MN where and still are supply ships. They brought food so we didn't starve, and all other things . Cargo carrying vessels like sitting ducks in many cases, not a fighting force.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: HMS Trouncer or HMS Thane Ship Mates [Re: diggingdeeper] #1043652
28th Aug 2017 10:15am
28th Aug 2017 10:15am
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,543
wallasey
C
casper Offline
Forum Addict
casper  Offline
Forum Addict
C
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,543
wallasey
A good read if you can get a copy DD, Mrs Fergusons tea-set, details the sinking of the Blue Funnel ship SS Automedon and the consequences of that action that was to influence Japans attempts to dominate the Far East.


Moderated by  Mark 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
LEDs again
by Excoriator. 23rd Jun 2018 10:59pm
Police Presence In Kelvin Road
by Habdab. 22nd Jun 2018 2:13pm
Giants to visit New Brighton Lighthouse
by Norton. 22nd Jun 2018 1:13pm
Another Parking Ticket
by fish5133. 18th Jun 2018 1:52am
Holborn Square - Police
by diggingdeeper. 17th Jun 2018 5:09pm
For Sale & Free
Hydraulic Car Jacks - £10 both
by DavidB. 23rd Jun 2018 12:41pm
Nilfisk Compact 105 Pressure Washer - £30
by DavidB. 23rd Jun 2018 12:36pm
4 x 2gb DDR2 800mhz dimms
by gerrymoore. 19th Jun 2018 3:32pm
brand new cabin size luggage
by stumpyduck. 18th Jun 2018 8:55am
Safety gate
by lincle. 17th Jun 2018 4:00pm
Member Spotlight
TheComputerLab
TheComputerLab
Wallasey
Posts: 1,263
Joined: May 2011
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
tpstubb, cutespam, mark_d, Pauline1949, dippydave
12652 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
LEDs again
by Excoriator. 23rd Jun 2018 10:59pm
Giants to visit New Brighton Lighthouse
by Norton. 22nd Jun 2018 1:13pm
Wirral's Worst Roads?
by DavidB. 15th Jun 2018 8:09pm
Anyone have Turnips phone number?
by ultimate. 14th Jun 2018 2:45pm
noctorum
by tayyo1. 13th Jun 2018 8:01pm
News : New Topics
Police Presence In Kelvin Road
by Habdab. 22nd Jun 2018 2:13pm
Holborn Square - Police
by diggingdeeper. 17th Jun 2018 5:09pm
Keys found - Old Market House
by MisterSmiff. 9th Jun 2018 11:13am
More Brexit Lunacy
by Excoriator. 8th Jun 2018 2:44pm
St James Library Break in
by BandyCoot. 7th Jun 2018 10:37am
New Enthusiast Forums
Another Parking Ticket
by fish5133. 18th Jun 2018 1:52am
Finds from yesterday 13/06/18
by Detecting_wirral. 14th Jun 2018 4:19pm
Red Kite
by granny. 13th Jun 2018 7:35pm
New MOT Rules
by fish5133. 6th Jun 2018 11:55pm
HELP please - wireless printer setup
by Snodvan. 30th May 2018 3:43pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sun 4:43am
Sunset Sun 9:45pm
Local Time Sun 3:55pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1