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#1043113 - 17th Aug 2017 8:05pm Terror attack Barcelona ***
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Another van driven down busy road knocking down tourists etc. 13 people dead more than 50 injured....murdering coward or cowards!!!!

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#1043120 - 17th Aug 2017 9:16pm Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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brainwashed indoctrinated deranged evil (perhaps a certain religion) (very strong swear word) . And totally effin pointless.

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#1043127 - 17th Aug 2017 11:01pm Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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Tonight they say 100 injured and 15 in a serious condition.(apart from those already killed) This is just getting dreadful. We have had so many of similar incidents now, all over Europe, and what is being done ? Nobody is addressing this problem apart from a few barricades on pavements. It must be difficult to come to know how to stop it, but when one chap said it is to educate the youngsters, and another report in the same News channel said since the ISIS have moved back from Rakka , they have left 2000 school children conditioned into ISIS training.
That is serious, very serous !

There really needs to be something done now with all the illegals entering Europe. Notice the routes , and arrivals. Greece, Sicily, Italy , now Spain. Virtually the whole of the southern Medi countries are being impacted and it's as if we are getting surrounded , from the east, north and south.
Even if relative peaceful times pass I doubt we should ever be complacent ever again .


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#1043130 - 18th Aug 2017 1:55am Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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About time we stopped treating these as religion driven crimes, those involved are criminals full stop. Giving idiots misguided moral justification only encourages these activities.
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#1043137 - 18th Aug 2017 9:33am Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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I notice the UK government has taken appropriate action to stop such attacks here. After long and careful consideration of the problem and possible solutions, it has eventually decided that the answer is... an aircraft carrier!

This mighty three billion pound extravagance will, I am sure, deter any terrorists thinking of attacking UK citizens, despite the fact that it hasn't got any aircraft yet.

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#1043141 - 18th Aug 2017 10:27am Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
About time we stopped treating these as religion driven crimes, those involved are criminals full stop. Giving idiots misguided moral justification only encourages these activities.


Unfortunately the only real way to deal with this is like for like, kicking doors in and and throwing the rule book away, this will only make them martyrs we are told, does blowing oneself up( along with innocents) not make them martyrs? or allowing them the cloak of a religious cause to justify their murderous intent, they are plain and simple murdering terrorists that wish to impose a twisted way of life under the guise of religion, there is no doubt that they are existing in communities that tolerate or support some of their views, a great deal of it being of a racist nature, in similar circumstances to the child abuse gangs, see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.

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#1043143 - 18th Aug 2017 10:45am Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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You are quite right Casper,a case of closed ranks in their communities. As with the 20 or so convicted child abusers. They have 20 or so family's that must have known or suspected something but choose to say nothing. Maybe it is because in their countries and with their beliefs this is the norm. Well it is NOT in Britain! .

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#1043145 - 18th Aug 2017 11:39am Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
About time we stopped treating these as religion driven crimes, those involved are criminals full stop. Giving idiots misguided moral justification only encourages these activities.


Yes, and it's time the burqa was made illegal in this country. Stripped off them to show the western clothes they wear beneath. The burqu is not a religious garment and therefore should not be tolerated. All European Governments have held back on such things and if they have taken a stance as in France, they have been shouted down by the 'do gooders', 'human rights activists' etc. Bloody idiots and not one, not one European or world government has taken a stance against this. Get their heads together and grow a pair.
I see all those charity aid workers and activists who put out a national call for supplies to deliver and who rallied around for the 'poor' refugees a couple of years ago in Calais, which encouraged even more to descend on the town, seem to have had a change of heart. They are very quiet, just moved on to backing our own homeless and starving now. Another 'thing of the moment'. That will soon be ditched for Ban the Bomb , again.
Democracy is one thing, people power has to be overridden at times and the people in Government who are in the powerful positions, need to take decision that keep their citizens safer before it's too late and more bloodshed on our streets.


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#1043146 - 18th Aug 2017 12:59pm Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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Here here Granny!! This world going backwards instead of forwards despite technology!!

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#1043153 - 18th Aug 2017 2:22pm Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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I hadn't noticed the authorities were treating terrorists gently because they are doing it through religion, or indeed that they are treating them as anything other than ordinary criminals. The treatment of many quite young and impressionable supporters seems to me to be very harsh. There is a high degree of cognitive dissonance in believing that on the one hand there are people capable of 'radicalising' otherwise perfectly ordinary teenagers, and on the other hand locking them up because they have been 'radicalised'

But treating every member of the same religion as if they were criminals and denying them any humanitarian aid seems frankly barmy to me.

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#1043155 - 18th Aug 2017 3:07pm Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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Now Finland, attackers with knives... suppose we were all getting abit complacent and hoping it would go away, at least I was but no they seem to be showing us not!!! Evil wicked cowards!!!

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#1043169 - 18th Aug 2017 6:08pm Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: Excoriator]
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I hadn't noticed the authorities were treating terrorists gently because they are doing it through religion, or indeed that they are treating them as anything other than ordinary criminals. The treatment of many quite young and impressionable supporters seems to me to be very harsh. There is a high degree of cognitive dissonance in believing that on the one hand there are people capable of 'radicalising' otherwise perfectly ordinary teenagers, and on the other hand locking them up because they have been 'radicalised'

But treating every member of the same religion as if they were criminals and denying them any humanitarian aid seems frankly barmy to me.


I'll tell you what is 'frankly barmy', Excoriator, the European nations allowing, nay, inviting these religious fanatics into their societies. Before this middle eastern slime infested our shores we did not live in fear of being blown up or crushed by some Quran loving maniac.

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#1043170 - 18th Aug 2017 6:21pm Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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..and when those terrorists who are treated like ordinary criminals (which they are NOT) are sentenced into our prisons at the tax payers expense, who pays for their families of 4 wives and 10 children ? Yes, the British tax payer.

These are not normal people, as Cools says they are evil. They (ISIS) insist that when moving into and taking control of towns the women change their dress code and have to wear burqas. Full covering usually comes from very strict Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia who still behead their criminals. We don't want 'very strict Islam ' here so whilst we have the chance, we should break down their pathetic ideology (not religious) and make them realise that their women will not be following or infiltrating our community with their traditions of hiding away under a cloak of secrecy. Mix with us or take the punishment. ( 2 yrs prison for breaking the law.) They have laws that affect Westerners in their country, so why not the other way around. Let's upset their way of life too.
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#1043171 - 18th Aug 2017 6:31pm Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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I know and have worked with many Muslims and found them perfectly rational. Normal in every respect, despite being strict believers, and utterly peaceful.

The idea that you seem to believe in that ALL members of a particular race or religion should be banned from entering the country or forced to follow YOUR dress code or way of life disgusts me. You seem to be unaware that you are proposing exactly what ISIS are demanding. Perhaps you should think more carefully about what you advocate.

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#1043172 - 18th Aug 2017 6:36pm Re: Terror attack Barcelona [Re: cools]
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My point is: if they were not here we not have the problems they cause.

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