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Top Ten Male Baby Names 2017 To August #1042459
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1. Muhammad

2. Oliver

3. Harry

4. Noah

5. Freddie

6. George

7. Jack

8. Jacob

9. Charlie

10. Leo

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Re: Top Ten Male Baby Names 2017 To August [Re: diggingdeeper] #1042478
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I have no idea what one can conclude from this. If you are given to xenophobia, and a bit dim, you might leap to the conclusion that we are being 'swamped' by Muslims who are all producing male babies!

But I suspect it is merely the case that 'Muhammad' is an enormously favoured name for male babies in the Muslim culture whilst indigenous Brits call their kids any name that takes their fancy.

I went and had a look at UK birth statistics, the latest edition was issued by the ONS on 19th July of this year. It seems we are still a shrinking population in terms of babies produced. The UK fertility rate fell from 1.82 births per woman to 1.81. (2.4 is the figure for a stable population) Almost a quarter were to women born outside the UK, meaning that the fertility rate of women born in the UK is significantly lower than this. Clearly we need immigrants!

Thanks to immigration, we have the highest fertility rate in Europe. Without it we would have a birthrate comparable to Germany which is so low that there won't be many of them left in a few decades! Mrs Merkel's recent welcome to all immigrants was clearly in response to this. A nation with a falling birthrate is looking at big problems in the future.


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Come in number 5. Old news Ex.

However, xenophobia could be a major issue in the not so distant future.
I have posted this before I think, worth a second viewing just to remind ourselves. You chaps had better start getting busy.
I think Mohammed was last years top name too. (or the year before) All Muslim babies have the name Mohammed, plus another name.

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Re: Top Ten Male Baby Names 2017 To August [Re: diggingdeeper] #1042495
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Instead of promoting immigration perhaps we should be looking at increasing the birthrate. Government policies over the last 50 years have discouraged having children and the low birthrate is the direct result of this.

Globalisation hasn't done anyone any favours, it hasn't brought peace, it hasn't brought wealth, it is just part of the self-destructive mechanism called capitalism.


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I can't see why British born babies are to be preferred to immigrants. Indeed, from a purely selfish point of view immigrants are better. They can work immediately whereas it takes about 25 years to get any useful work out of a newborn. Also, as well as working they have babies themselves.

In any case, the poor devils who emerge from the education system with 50,000 plus debts and find themselves with no hope of ever buying a place of their own are in no position to start a family.

But it is not just the UK. Almost all developed countries are now failing to maintain their population levels. I would not be at all surprised to find countries competing for immigrants before long! If you're wondering what that distant thud was a while back, it was Nigel Farage's head exploding, by the way.

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What a very nasty bit of Islam-bashing Granny! Did the menacing music not set you wondering whether an attempt was being made to manipulate your opinions?

It assumes that all children born to Muslims will adopt the faith. In practice, this doesn't happen. People rapidly become 'westernised' or 'secularised' to a large extent, and conduct themselves for the most part in just the same way as you and I do. The religion will die out unless it adapts to this.

In fact, there is a growing backlash from women in the wealthier Muslim Countries demanding the right to drive cars and not wear black all-enveloping tents. They have seen what western women have and quite understandably want some of it themselves.

Personally I am an atheist and consider all religions equally unpleasant, but I feel very uneasy when one is singled out for this sort of propaganda.


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Identity and culture is important, humans are tribal and that's how things work. Look at all the great empires the world has had, they have all broken down, we are not geared up to globalise and integrate so quickly, its something that takes hundreds of years.

Stupidly many countries have tried to follow the capitalist model and that is also doomed to failure by its own definition. The capitalist model isn't driven by the people, its driven by the rich to make themselves richer.

Almost overnight we went from a country that had babies and children with mothers to a country that had working mothers, you just cannot change culture that fast and expect it to work. It doesn't matter if it driven by capitalist ideals or equality ideals or any other reason, sudden changes will cause problems.

Humans are the slowest of all animals to develop and adapt.


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probably more Muhammads dying than any other name.

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I don't agree. Humans are extremely adaptable. As a child being brought up in a working class environment just after the war, we had very little. Fast forward to the present and the material wealth and resources available to me would have been inconceivable to me as a child. Not that I am particularly wealthy, but the change has been breathtaking for all of us who have experienced it. I haven't noticed anyone finding it a problem or failing to take to it like a duck to water.

I am pretty sure that if some catastrophe sent us into poverty again, we would quickly adapt to it, finding ways of feeding ourselves and keeping warm etc. It wouldn't be much fum, but we'd do it.

I think young Muhammed, growing up in a devout Muslim family but mixing with contemporaries at school would quickly adapt to the culture, particularly the freedoms that Brit kids have. In a few years time we will see openly gay Islamic clerics and whether one is a member of the Islamic church or not will be of as little importance as whether you are C of E or URC or whatever else.

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The amount of personal debt, drug abuse, crime, selfishness, anti-social behaviour, poverty, corruption, greed, military action and numerous other things show how poorly the human race has adapted.

Nobody wants to live in fear or worry but most of the world do. Even countries that a few years ago would have been classed as "contented" eg Sweden have been turned upside down by the rate of change.

The world is in a constant stream of destabilisation yet the leader's roles are to create stability. We are failing on a grand scale.

How long will it be before public parks charge entrance fees and/or have huge advertisements plastered all over them. Toll roads have returned after we near enough got rid of them. Its all capitalism and not about human life. We are going backwards in a world carefully disguised to make it seem like we are benefiting.

We used to go to Eastham and start up a game of cricket or rounders etc, loads of families used to join in, upwards of 50 people wasn't uncommon. Babies were left at the edge of the field in their prams. Do we have a similar quality of life now?


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Firstly it is NOT Islam bashing. It is pointing out a fact that migration is raising the populations of many countries across the West. As you know many of the migrants are from Muslim countries in Asia and the Middle East, Islam encourages to have many children, Islam decrees that Muslims are not allowed to leave their faith. Women in Saudi Arabia are demanding the right to drive, at the same time i.e. this week,did you know that 14 men have been sentenced to death by beheading for crimes they say they were forced to admit to under torture in an unfair trial ? Called men but they are mostly teenagers. Islam still lives in the Middle Ages.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...arabia-continues-bloody-execution-spree/

Strange how some think it uncivilised to criticize certain faiths but ok to bash Christianity without any repercussions.

The whole point of the issue is that with proportional representation, the West will eventually become a Muslim civilisation , with the Islamic laws becoming more prevalent and incorporated into our own . Until such time as they will dominate. It is only the blind who pretend it's not possible. Not so long ago on this forum, I was rebuked for mentioning the fact that the horrors being committed in Middle Eastern countries would find their way to Europe. Laughed off, but in hindsight, is Europe now suffering or not , at the hands of these madmen, who are capable of anything or is it purely our imagination ?

Most grew up in post war years without much, most did well because they had more opportunity after the war. The 60's and into the 70's, saw us getting back on our feet again, better qualification, jobs for life with prospects of promotion, home ownership, cars, foreign holidays, music, (drink , drugs, sex if you wanted them ), women's liberation and freedom....we had it all. We had the best of times and the best of prospects . Life was vibrant and fun.

Not so now, a cloud is constantly covering us all , a cloud of doom and gloom because we don't know what is going to happen from one week to the next.

If you think that Muslim families are allowed to adapt to our culture, you may be kidding yourself. Muslims,don't like our culture and as it's a religion, they have to obey the Imam! Nothing to do with anyone else.

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Ex, I sometimes think you post things to wind people up?? If you were a younger person I could maybe understand but you seem to hate everything that makes Britain Britain!! You hate the monarchy with a vengence, you are not alone there I know, you hate religion, again you are not alone many do.It just seems that anything that tethers us to our identity of wanting to live our British way you hate. Is there no patriotism in you? Is there no feelings that two world wars and many people who fought to keep our way of life now seem all in vain!! As I say the younger generation I can understand but I don't want to see England a land of mosques and robes! Maybe I'm talking rubbish but I'm very patriotic and will always stand up for Britain and our way of life even though everyday I see it going.

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I think what disturbs me the most is that instead of immigrants integrating with their chosen country, those countries are integrating with the immigrants.

If you emigrate you chose the country you move to over your own, you must accept the laws and customs of that country, why on earth are we changing our country?

Our national language is English, I don't understand why schools, councils etc are having to adapt and spend a lot of money in being multi-lingual. If foreign nationals need a translation service it should be provided by the respective embassy or amongst the community, by all means provide English lessons free to help immigrants adapt.

No doubt there are some UK mosques that have the call-to-prayer (Adhan) broadcast from the minaret, my only thoughts on that are "bells" wink


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