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Re: No government help for New Ferry. [Re: Excoriator] #1041968
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Considering the Government said, way back in April, it would not pay, as it is not Government policy to pay for regeneration of town centres.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/government-not-fund-rebuilding-new-12940208

there is also this if people want to help.

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/lovenewferry


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Re: No government help for New Ferry. [Re: RUDEBOX] #1041969
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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX


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Re: No government help for New Ferry. [Re: granny] #1041971
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Originally Posted by granny
Considering the Government said, way back in April, it would not pay, as it is not Government policy to pay for regeneration of town centres.


That is a little misleading, regeneration is generally authorised by the EU who agree to deduct the money from our EU bill so the the government can pay for the regeneration.

She also said "The General Election creates a barrier to ministerial involvement in any rescue plan for New Ferry" which is completely false.

Ministries and ministers carry on as normal, its only parliamentary decisions that come to a halt. Believe me, they don't stop collecting taxes during election periods!


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Re: No government help for New Ferry. [Re: Excoriator] #1041972
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Why don't Wirral apply to the LEP ? Set up by the previous Cameron Government to replace NWDA and help local enterprise, support local economic growth and regeneration in local areas.


As a matter of interest, Wirral Investment Strategy was sounding pretty upbeat, considering all things, but no mention of any proposed regeneration for New Ferry, although one official, the other night stated they had been trying to get regeneration for New Ferry for a long time ! How long is a piece of string? Basically, regeneration means knocking the whole lot down and completely renewing, which won't save any bodies home or business.

https://www.wirral.gov.uk/sites/def...vestment%20Strategy%20-%20May%202015.pdf

WIRRAL INVESTMENT STRATEGY 2015 - 2020

Introduction

Wirral is putting in place the economic environment that companies want to see: a
commitment to building a commercial case for sustainable economic growth, through a
portfolio approach that demonstrates long term commitment and planning, confidence and
ambition.

Wirrals relationships locally, in the wider City Region, in the UK and in the global
marketplace are stronger than ever before. In this light, we have been taking a wider view of
our performance and our potential.

Since Wirrals first Investment Strategy was published in 2007, we have faced challenging
market conditions. But today, our borough is rightly anticipating a stronger and more certain
future. Unlike 2011, when this document was last revised, our investors, as well as our
stakeholders the people who live, work and provide jobs in the borough face a period of
growth and development.

This makes this new updated Investment Strategy at once essential, timely, and, most
importantly, a strong and stable platform for growing the boroughs economy for years to
come.

Introduction: about this document

This document sets out Wirrals current economic growth programme. We present the
exciting changes taking place on the Wirral and the future plans which will transform this
part of the UK.

The document also outlines the key projects and emergent opportunities that will prove
attractive to investors from the private sector. The public sector is committed to support this
activity and ensure the people in Wirral can share and fully take part in this renewal. The
project pipeline, set out in the pages which follow, provides the catalyst to allow Wirral to
realise economic growth and prosperity for its future.

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 A sector profile that shows ambition and focus alongside strength in depth;
 A workforce with the skills and experience to deliver;
 A strong partnership with Wirral Chamber of Commerce;
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before; and
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aspiration and supporting residents to access employment and skills.

In this document, we are promoting investment opportunities that are timely. We feel they
are targeted, deliverable and, with the right support, financially viable.




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Re: No government help for New Ferry. [Re: diggingdeeper] #1041973
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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by granny
Considering the Government said, way back in April, it would not pay, as it is not Government policy to pay for regeneration of town centres.


That is a little misleading, regeneration is generally authorised by the EU who agree to deduct the money from our EU bill so the the government can pay for the regeneration.

She also said "The General Election creates a barrier to ministerial involvement in any rescue plan for New Ferry" which is completely false.

Ministries and ministers carry on as normal, its only parliamentary decisions that come to a halt. Believe me, they don't stop collecting taxes during election periods!


Point being.... if they said in April that they would not be committing financially to regeneration, when did they say they would pay, because I cannot find anything relating to that other than local gossip and Chinese whispers at a later date ? Proof please ! I may have enough time to go cook a breakfast. smile



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Re: No government help for New Ferry. [Re: Excoriator] #1041976
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Don't mix up restoration and regeneration, they are different things. Provided New Ferry restoration meets the threshold level (ie costs enough), then they are entitled to restoration funds from the Government. This is the Bellwin Scheme.

John Brace (our voluntary local council examination protagonist) put in a freedom of information request on the 12th July to find out exactly what our Bellwin threshold is. I calculate the threshold to be 1.84m worst case but could be considerably less.

If we were a unitary authority the threshold would be ten times less but we are a metropolitan authority. If you look at the political stance of metropolitan authorities vs unitary authorities you might find a reason for that differential.

The Bellwin scheme is not subjective and so should be the first port of call to try and get funding. It is an entitlement.

New Ferry has been regenerated at least once (if not twice?), other areas of Wirral have not, this must have a bearing on whether it receives regeneration funding again.

Money was not promised before the election, the point is that the Government refused to cooperate with attempts to justify funding during that period using the elections as an excuse. Obviously the longer the Government left it, the less compelling the case, one thing will be that it had died out the national media. There is no reason the election should have interfered with the process and you can be damned sure that a similar incident in London would have been acted on.


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There was a lot of money collected for the residents of New Ferry and hopefully it did not go into council coffers. A person I know who lived in rented accommodation only received 40 from the fund plus second hand clothing. Council paid for him in bed and breakfast until he was rehoused recently. A charity St Vincent de Paul and the council Local Welfare assistance provided furniture and stuff for new flat. Most people in rented accommodation do not have sufficient spare money to insure their contents. They think that their contents are less than the premium. Agree with granny that business should be insured and it is a criminal offence if employing staff not to have employers liability. Nobody in their right mind would trade without public liability so it is hard to see why they would not extend their cover to buildings and contents for another couple of hundred pound a year.Terrible situation for all concerned.

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Having worked previously in the insurance industry for 17 years and having been caught in the Indian Ocean Tsunami 2004 where we nearly lost our lives and having personally had to take a travel insurance company claim to the ombudsman to settle our claim, I can safely say the respective insurance companies involved will be certainly at least dragging their heels settling claims for those people who have insurance -especially with the case being "suspected" arson, so can those people who think "its ok they have insurance" think again and show some sympathy ? There are as it stands some 1357 signatures on the 38 degrees petition and I really feel Wirral and indeed the whole nation should get behind and sign the petition in protest at the governments bad decision not to help ALL VICTIMS !

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Thatcher did more in dragging us out of the claws of the powerful unions.


A comment worthy of the great Trump himself!

The result is zero hours contracts, people trying to scrape by with three or four part-time jobs, food banks, frozen wages, a massive contingent of people sleeping rough and benefits cut to zero. The NHS is going down the drain. At the same time, the rich are getting increasingly richer!

In Germany - a country that seems a lot more financially secure than ours, unions are much stronger and are universally represented on company boards. Workers have excellent employment protection and the country is going from strength to strength. Perhaps the unions are a GOOD thing, Granny.

But the WORSE thing Thatcher did was to legitimise greed. Previously, this was considered a character flaw. But under thatcher it was renamed 'wealth creation' and praised. Flaunting one's wealth became quite acceptable, instead of something shameful.

The country came out of the thatcher years a much less pleasant place than when she took it over.


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Good post @Ex


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Re: No government help for New Ferry. [Re: Excoriator] #1043949
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Thatcher did more in dragging us out of the claws of the powerful unions.


A comment worthy of the great Trump himself!

The result is zero hours contracts



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In a party conference speech in Brighton in 1995, Tony Blair said that if elected Labour would bring, "an end to zero hours contracts."


https://www.libdems.org.uk/labour-20-year-old-promise-on-zero-hours-contracts

He was elected, and his own party and Labour councils used them:

62 Labour MPs hiring workers on zero-hour contracts
https://labourlist.org/2014/05/labour-mps-hiring-workers-on-zero-hour-contracts/

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When the thieving class of all colours and creeds, including those too lazy to get off their arses, tax fiddlers and the self employed, taxi drivers working seven days a week earning 4,000 on tax credits (lying barstools) We had progressive change and we shat on it. Union leaders on more than The Prime Minister and socialist leaders like Blair and Maxwell "dream on".Live your life pay your dues and walk tall amongst those who think they know how to run yours.
Just a little rant.

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Not sure if its been posted, but interesting proposals here:

https://www.wirral.gov.uk/business/regeneration/new-ferry-regeneration

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The BBC TV programme INSIDE OUT North West with Dianne Oxberry has recently filmed an episode about the gas blast and destruction in New Ferry which is scheduled to be broadcast 09 October. Hopefully this will gain more public awareness to the governments disgraceful lack of financial support for those businesses, shops and houses affected


Mia Mabel

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh! Jer-e-my Cor-byn

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Sounds very interesting Rudebox, thanks for posting . Has it been confirmed that it WAS a gas blast .?

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