Forums Forums Local News No government help for New Ferry.

Cleveland has got an interesting track record, in 2014 there was a Cannabis farm bust there.

They knew nothing about it apparently.

As I know nothing about the Cleveland pub, there is little I can add to the discussion except that 'proof' by selected incident is not proof at all, just as legislation on the basis of a single incident usually turns out to be wrong.

The facts of the case in New Ferry are that despite Granny's tut-tutting, lots of people DON'T insure against every eventuality because it is too expensive for them. The area is depressed and needs regeneration anyway and those businesses that WERE there were struggling and were even less able than most to afford insurance against unlikely events like lunatics setting off bombs across the road.

The government (when it was possible to get a few brownie points by appearing sympathetic) DID offer financial help, be that right or wrong. Although one can depend on the tories to go back on their word on such matters, just as they did with their offer to allow 3,000 unaccompanied children from the Calais 'Jungle" into the UK. (The scheme was shut down after only 350 had been allowed in) it remains an indefensible thing to do in my book.

It's the ordinary homeowners I feel sorry for, perhaps the little old lady who has lived in one of those badly damaged little terraced houses for 50 years , everything gone and yes maybe no insurance for financial reasons. I did think it very bad that the government said they would give some help raising hopes only for it to be dashed! And yes just like the Tory government Ex your beloved JC is back peddling on his claim about student Fees to end! Getting all the student's on his side as this was one of the things they believed he would do. They all at it!!!

Rumors of my love affair with Corbyn are exaggerated, Cools.

I expect, were he to gain power, however, he would stop student loans immediately. Paying back those who have already coughed up would come later.

Poor old New Ferry though. At the bottom of the shit-heap as usual.

Corbyn never said he would write off existing student, he did say that he would lessen the impact of them, he explicitly indicated the possibilities and they didn't include write-off. His actual words were ...

"Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.”

“I don’t have the simple answer for it yet - I don’t think anybody would expect me to, because this election was called unexpectedly; we had two weeks to prepare all this - but I’m very well aware of that problem,” Corbyn continued.

“And I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it"

In defence of Cools, Imran Hussain certainly DID, and therefore he must have also completely mi-understood his leader's manifesto, and we have to ask how many more promoted the same behind closed doors. See his little chat to kiddies here (as if they knew what he was talking about! ) You can hear the cheer leaders in the background, can't you ?

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In all honesty I bet you thought the same DD ?

Commandant Corbyn clearly indicated that would be the case,'I will deal with it' was a promise and the abolition of student fees from September . I think being economical with the truth in this instance was to clearly mis-lead student voters, but it most certainly mis-lead everyone of us. It is also to be questioned why gobby Angela Rayner even came on TV and openly stated that it would cost £100 billion and it was never a promise. Now if that wasn't another trick to try to cover-up what they now wanted to pretend they didn't say, I don't know what was.



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-to-wipe-off-student-debts-a3595646.html


His party’s manifesto has already promised the abolition of tuition fees from as early as this year – if Labour wins the election.

But in a cover interview for the well-known music magazine, he said: “First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether.

We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees.”

He added: “And I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.”

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...or-graduates-who-paid-9000-a3554841.html

I am also quite sure that his Press and PR department scrutinize every word before anything he says goes to press.

NME interview :

http://www.nme.com/news/jeremy-corbyn-will-deal-already-burdened-student-debt-2082478

...and another thing !

Corbyn's manifesto and ideology are on a par with President Manduro of Venezuela. He praised Hugo Chevaz , he celebrates the socialist system, and yet look at what has happened there over the last few years, and also in Colombia. Foreign Office, suggest not to go to Colombia unless absolutely necessary.
Rationing of food, no medical supplies, no money, eating their own pets, media clamped down, inflation 700%,leaving the country, almost on the verge of dictatorship. The list is endless and not about to improve.

Commandant Corbyns, dream paradise !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QjufrxigE4

I just don't get why WMBC didn't fill in the forms - even if the claim was refused it would look bad on the Gov not them, by not even claiming and then threatening to take residents to court for demolition costs is just a disgrace.

If i was in charge, would just have pay and then seek to recover costs from the furniture shop owners later when he's been convicted of the insurance fraud

I've got a student loan and not for one second did I think it would be written off. Initially I was jealous that students would no longer have to pay student fees but then remembered that student fees are only a relatively new thing, yet another way the government has extracted money from people to give to the rich.

Same old left-bashing arguments, choose from the mix of Russia, China, Venezuala, Cuba etc to suit the occasion whenever someone is anything left of Attila-The-Hun.

The people of this country would be on their knees far quicker if it was left to the likes of Maggie Thatcher, IDS, Theresa May and most members of the current cabinet. Its actually back-bench tories that are moderating the tory party at the moment and most of them aren't even moderates. There are far more ultra-rights hiding away in positions of power ready to do their filthy deeds at a moments notice. They seriously plan to compete against workers in China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India etc where pay and conditions are virtually non-existent.

How many times have you heard the "Low regulatory regime" bandied about, this is the readiness to bring employment back into the early Victorian era.

The tories have refused to help New ferry but under the rules, they should be helping. The threshold for a non-unitarian authority is 0.2% of revenue, Wirral's revenue is £920m (worst case, this isn't clear cut) so the threshold is £1.84m, that amount of money is easily the cost of repairing New Ferry.

Is it left bashing or Corbyn bashing ? We've had Thatcher bashing and still do, even by some who weren't even born when she was PM. The fact is, the country didn't fail and her principles were different to Corbyn's.

The reason he is aligned to Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba etc. is because he promotes the same ideology, which is based on Marxism. He has admitted that the Latin American countries are where his heart lies. He has always supported the far left of those same countries .

Unfortunately, the Tories have been getting bashed and intimidated for decades, by the Labour supporters . It's been the same as bullying, and made Tory voters fearful to admit their allegiance. Always portrayed as the Tories being the snobs and the Labour being the grafters. Total rubbish !

If I don't want Corbyn or any of his socialist followers running this country, then I am happy to say so.

Never heard of 'Low Regulatory Regime' but looking up info on it , it would seem to refer to European Regulation and the use of a federal regulatory commission.

Your last paragraph has baffled me with science as not being a mathematician, I cannot answer . However, if my house was blown up, would the Government be expected to pay for re-build ? If the Council still have £770,000 in the pot for such things, maybe they should spend that first. If the Council have received massive amounts of money for regeneration, what did they regenerate ? The Council can offer low income families financial assistance for emergency repairs on a home, paid as a loan.
What has happened to the guilty parties of this explosion, do we know ? Maybe until someone is found guilty of a specific crime relating to this and charged , then until that point, nothing can be achieved. New Ferry have only raised this profile again since Grenfell flats tragedy, and that is a disgrace to even put themselves on the same platform. There's no regeneration going on at Grenfell , just funerals and demolition in the near future.

Oh, and I suggest the OP has no true affiliation to those who were affected at New Ferry. Purely another way of having a 'go' at the present Government and Teresa May, of whom it would seem there are many males still paranoid about a female leader. Well... Tough titty !!

Those people a bit like the newsreaders earning £400,000 salaries and pontificate on how dreadful it is for these low income families. Do they care ?.. No, they don't, it's all a front and quite pathetic to be honest.

The country did fail under Margaret Thatcher, the financial impact is still being felt. We lost our productive industry and are dependent on vagaries of virtual money now. we are hardly self-sufficient in anything if we had to close our borders.

Anybody can sell everything they have and ignore maintenance making it look like they are doing well for a few years but the after effects are terminal and long lasting.

How can you not see that everything the Tories do is designed to send money upwards in the pecking order, that is their basic philosophy to make a few people rich and they will throw breadcrumbs to keep the serfs happy. Margaret Thatcher eventually admitted that the greedy rich were too selfish to throw the breadcrumbs and that her philosophy had failed (a big confession that many Tories pretend never happened).

The basic philosophy of the left is that people have a right to live a fair life.

"Low Regulatory Regime" is what the Government are selling for post-brexit to other nations industries and investors. Have you seen their fire safety reductions they were about to make before Grenfell happened, they were going to make it even less safe.

New Ferry

Why pay insurance money to the Government if they don't cough up and you have to find the money out your own pocket, I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if your insurances behaved like that.

If the council empties its contingency pot it will have to find the money to fill it again. The amount that New Ferry would need hardly touches the sides of Government finances, it would make a massive impact on council and rate payers finances. That is why they Government provides an insurance scheme.

Thatcher did more in dragging us out of the claws of the powerful unions. She opposed the ERM, which was the forerunner to the Euro, lucky escape. She negotiated to get a much a larger rebate from the EU . She helped built bridges to end the Cold War. She enabled many council tenants to become home owners for the first time, she reclaimed the Falklands. She did a lot, and although I didn't agree with all that she did do, the Labour Government of Blair moved into a far better seat than James Callaghan left behind him.

Why did Wirral Council deem it fit to loan £35 million to other councils ? A further £2m to Labour leader of Ed Millibands constituency in Doncaster. All the time complaining because they didn't have any money and making it a political point against the Government. At the same time they introduced 'bin tax' and increased parking charges for their residents.

The whole point of ERDF is for regional development. They should have applied for that if they wanted regeneration of New Ferry, not use the local residents their scapegoat.

LENT TO START END AMOUNT INTEREST

Doncaster Metropolitan BoroughCouncil30/07/2012 30/07/2014 £2,000,000 0.80Lancashire County Council



18/10/2012 17/10/2014



£2,000,000



0.75



Lancashire County Council



23/10/2012



23/10/2014



£2,000,000



0.75



Lancashire County Council



23/10/2012



23/10/2014



£2,000,000



0.75



Northumberland County Council



20/07/2012



21/07/2014



£5,000,000



0.75



Northumberland County Council



23/07/2012



23/07/2014



£1,000,000



0.75



Stockport Metropolitan BoroughCouncil



19/04/2012



21/10/2013



£5,000,000



1.00



Fife Council Scotland



12/01/2012



13/01/2014



£2,000,000



1.30



Halton Borough Council



19/10/2011



19/04/2013



£5,000,000



1.40



Kingston-Upon-Hull City Council



20/10/2011



21/10/2013



£3,000,000



1.50



Newcastle Upon Tyne City Council



10/06/2011



10/06/2013



£2,000,000



1.80



Newcastle Upon Tyne City Council



20/01/2012



20/06/2013



£4,500,000



1.37



£35,500,000


UK productivity graphs.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?saf...0....0...1..64.psy-ab..0.0.0.VqtzA1fUp5k

Seen this link today:

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petiti...cebook-share-button&time=1501321355#