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Granny is evidently a totalitarian. She believes the interests of the state overrule the rights of an individual. This belief can lead into some very murky areas indeed.

I believe we need to jealously protect the rights of the individual against the state. The ECHR may be very inconvenient for a bullying government or one that panders to witch-hunts in an attempt to gain political brownie points, but that is exactly why we need it.

We shall simply have to agree to differ on this.

NO she isn't, and as already stated , we have the Supreme Court which is above and beyond Government.

You have already made it crystal clear that you consider the state to be more important than Abu Hamsa by berating the ECHR for stopping them simply chucking him out.

That is totalitarianism, pure and simple. Denying it is pretty pointless, I'd say.

ECHR Judges are selected by politicians.

UK Supreme Judges are selected by the judiciary.

One failing of the ECHR is that there is no appeal or corrective process if the ECHR makes a mistake. The judgement is final to all parties and the ECHR itself. In one case the ECHR judgement used its own previous case law but accidentally stated the polar opposite of what the case law had said.

In the UK legal system an appeal is always possible if new evidence comes to light, a mistake such as above is sufficient to apply for an appeal.

Abu Hamza's last hold-up from extradition was not by the ECHR it was by the UK High Courts. Prior to that the ECHR had delayed the process by remarkably showing concern that he might face life improvement in the USA, as it happens Abu Hamza ended up with a life sentence without parole in the USA anyway. This was believed by some to be an attempt by the ECHR to set a case that life imprisonment is a breach of human rights, the ramifications of such a decision would be far too reaching and could ultimately challenge the legality of using any prison sentence whatever the length, others believe it was just Abu Hamza playing the system.

That the UK high court happened after the ECHR shows that the ECHR breached its own protocols on the case when it made a judgement, the case should have been assessed as inadmissible because of "non-exhaustion of domestic remedies", a UK appeal was still available and hence the ECHR should not have got involved at that stage.

They say there are 12 million Brits leaving/working in Europe, but do they get the same rights/benefits as Eu migrants working/living here?
EU migrants work here for a year go home and get tax rebates! money gets filtered out to pay for homes in other countries,
Sorry just too many in this country, i work with a guy and he can't even speak English, he can say my name but ask him to do something, just looks at me and say's don't understand in broken English, so i end up doing his job as well, and another part of the place i work they sit in groups away from British workers won't join in and speak in their mother tongue all the time, and they are very rude, kick them all out i say, enoughs enough!
And as for paying £50 billion to leave, yeah you can sing for that also!

Are you telling me that the NHRI, SHRC,NIHRC, UNHRC have no place or impact at all in the UK ? We will still be signed to the European Convention of Human Rights, we just won't have the European Court of Human Rights being able to interfere in British Laws. They should have stuck to the Human Rights, but as per usual control eventually creeps into and becomes inclusive within other areas until full control appears. All pre- designed and destined. as are many other things that have not raised their heads in the EU BIG Take Over just yet.

Are you saying that because my views feel we need to ditch the ECHR to escape the ever controlling hand , although we will still be one of the 47 member states signed to the CofE, you feel it correct to use the word 'totalitarianism' . I assume you must conclude that prior to the setting up of the CofE, and the ECHR, UK must have been a totalitarian country, or pray tell me how were things run before, when respect for law was paramount in this country ?

Yes, I think Abu Hamsa was far less important to the people of this country,(did I mention the word 'State', as I generally don't when referring to UK ? Mostly because it is the EU that changed our status from 'country' to 'state', not us) and I dare say you and a few million others did too !

If you are happy to throw away our British laws, then I could call you a traitor to the British people. Nice, eh ?

Oh hear hear Granny. I love your posts replying to this nonsense, you are so more articulate and knowledgeable than I ever could be..All I know Hook should have been kicked out long before he was and more!!! Some of these human rights decisions, ludicrous!!!