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Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1037941
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I would no more read the Koran than I would read the bible,but if you do read it Casper be very careful! We don't need any more converts smile

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I know I won't be going near any mosque , meeting an Imam and deffo not reading any of their literature. Better things to do with my time, I just don't want to know about their way of life , the same as most of them don't want to know about mine or anybodys else's who ain't a Muslim...

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Originally Posted by Dilly
I would no more read the Koran than I would read the bible,but if you do read it Casper be very careful! We don't need any more converts smile


Having read the bible several times and tried to read the Koran (an English translation) . The bible is at least quite interesting and poetical and mystical in places in contrast to the Koran which was a very difficult and boring read. Imams wouldn't consider an English translation of the Koran as "Holy"

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"Love Not Hate" slogan

Don't quite get what is meant by that. Hate is a good emotion in the right circumstances.
I certainly don't hate all muslims and I certainly don't love all muslims.

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Did anyone watch Question Time last night ? Interesting input from a young Muslim woman about how there are Saudi funded Mosques which should be stopped in her mind. Saudi's practice the Wahhabism branch on Islam. Nazir Afzal the Former Chief Prosecutor for North West England agreed with the young woman, and I find it quite ironic that when all groups are trying to find a reason or reasons , hoping to find a possible answer to these dreadful means to an end for IS,and yet this man has not brought such knowledge into the public domain, it has taken a young woman on Question Time to raise the issue.
There was a petition for the Government opposing this involvement of Saudis just last year. Runs for 6 months and only got 10,000 votes. Had any of us known more or even known about the petition, things could have been different on the matter.

The Saudis probably have one of the most strict and extreme models of Islam, worth reading this article , printed just 7 days ago. It helps to explain what I and maybe others didn't know.
Time to put an end to Saudi funding, and bringing in Saudi Imams to teach in the Mosques !!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ctionary-branch-of-islam-said-to-be-the/

Have a look at 26 mins. to 29 mins. including Dimbleby ability to brush over the gentleman's claims.
Then watch 47.28 mins.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08s0brl/question-time-25052017


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Re: Manchester Arena Explosion. [Re: granny] #1038017
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I was aware of this granny, and the largest percentage of Mosques in the UK are Saudi funded, but sadly nothing will change this whilst our government are blowing in their ear, oil, arms sales, are obviously more important than the well being of UK citizens and the human rights of Saudis, a good start from the government would be to stop the funding for these Mosques, stop any one who has fought for or supported Isis from returning to the UK, and round up and deport the 3,000 suspected terrorists and any one who is associated with them, seeing as they have declared a jihad upon us,
some of them being UK subjects logically speaking could be charged with treason.

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So you want them to be charged with treason but not tried for it?

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Originally Posted by casper
and round up and deport the 3,000 suspected terrorists and any one who is associated with them, seeing as they have declared a jihad upon us, some of them being UK subjects logically speaking could be charged with treason.


That could well include you for all you know. If they had hard evidence they wouldn't pussyfoot around but guilty by association casts far too wide a net.


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Originally Posted by Spellbinder
So you want them to be charged with treason but not tried for it?


You have to be charged with something before you can be sent for trial, otherwise you would be standing up in court and when asked what the charges where just shrug your shoulders and say I don't know, or on the other hand you could say treason as charged.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
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and round up and deport the 3,000 suspected terrorists and any one who is associated with them, seeing as they have declared a jihad upon us, some of them being UK subjects logically speaking could be charged with treason.


That could well include you for all you know. If they had hard evidence they wouldn't pussyfoot around but guilty by association casts far too wide a net.


Well something needs to be done DD, the security service has said they cant keep a watch on them all, and while they are out there they are actively brainwashing and recruiting more, they are using our democracy against us even laughingly calling benefits Jihadi seekers allowance, using the justice system against us in a waste of time trouble and effort, a line needs to be drawn.

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How about banning the hijab ? Would that make a difference to strict Muslims, to a point of not wanting to be here in this country.
Some wear it some don't, so I assume it relates to which ever branch of Islam they belong to.
I still don't understand the reason for it, said to be a modesty thing and they should not display their beauty to men other than husbands etc.! Modesty ?? Why then do they plaster their eyes and lips with make-up ?


A definite ban should be placed on the niqab, and burka IMO. There again we'd have the Shami Chakrabartis' of this world calling the tune once again.
We are consistently being put under more and more pressure to abide by their rules until our own laws will be outlawed and I don't believe they should have any rulings in law . When did the Christians have the laws changed for the purpose of incorporating the faith ? If anything it's gone the other way.
Over fifty per cent of UK population have no religious beliefs and ceasing to be a Christian country. Like a house, when someone moves out another one moves in !


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Originally Posted by casper
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So you want them to be charged with treason but not tried for it?


You have to be charged with something before you can be sent for trial, otherwise you would be standing up in court and when asked what the charges where just shrug your shoulders and say I don't know, or on the other hand you could say treason as charged.


But if you had your way they would - as a terror suspect - already have been deported. So how does that work?

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Well the niqab and burka basically wraps a wife or a daughter up in a package, maybe it should wear a sign, saying to be used only by the owner, it makes them the property of one man, it highlights the insecurity and the mistrust of Muslim men, a throwback to medieval times akin to a chasity belt, if it is not required to be worn as part of the Muslim religion then it/they should be banned.

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The whole religion should be banned in this country.Why were they ever allowed to build mosques here in the first place ?

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Spellbinder why don't you tell us more of your ideas and opinions instead of one liner comments , usually picking people up on their grammar or trying to twist things around. Not having a go but would be interesting to know more about your thinking of this subject.

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