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Just think if he had lived after his jail sentence he could have become a politician and helped in bringing peace between radicalised muslims and Brits.
Getting tired of the wall to wall news items about it. Good news or maybe not 1900 new jobs going with MI5 MI6 etc
Has Brexit been blamed yet for the attack
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some people on here need to give there head a wobble
People have been killed, just think before posting
Does it matter if he is getting called a terrorist or not to me a terrorist is someone who makes us afraid to go there, someone post about have they found his passport maybe yes as they want people to know who they are, as for rolling news TURN THE TV OFF OR OVER THEN
Put it this way your team makes it to the cup so you book 2days in London to look around one thing most of us will like to see is big ben next thing you know your under a car from out of no-where, then people tell you the guy that's just killed most of your mates/family isn't a terrorist and it was setup as his passport was found on him.
people need to think before posting
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If any of my friends or family were killed by someone, I would want the real reason they were murdered not the media's/politician's convenient version of events.
So yes, it does matter. The media are totally out of control and the politicians frequently have to pamper to them. This is desegregating society which helps these sort of events take place, a few years ago it would be much more unlikely that this guy would have got as far as he did, people would help each other and try to prevent it.
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Well DD give us a clue as to what you think about this? Don't mean to offend but it seems to me you and Fish are well into conspiracy theories, do you think all these attacks are carried out by others for other purposes, just like 9/11 wasn't as it appeared?? As I say just asking not meaning to get into a disagreement.
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I feel sad for victims of this attack
I wonder whether the unarmed policemen guarding the Houses of Parliament have or could have had stabproof or bulletproof vests issued them. Also what if this person had had a gun or explosives, how far would he have got if not for the fact a ministerial bodyguard had just arrived by chance at that time and was able to shoot him dead.
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I think the guy is a nutter and a criminal, he wasn't trying to terrorise he was trying to injure.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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Derek..The murdered PC was wearing a stab vest according to a police guy speaking on the news.
Cools..my last post got nothing to do with conspiracy. The first comment was a reference to murderer Martin Mcguinness who our Govt did a deal (or conspired) with so he could escape prosecution. The comment about 1900 jobs with MI5 MI6 was on BBC news. Brexit comment was just sarcasm.
After watching a Panorama programme years back showing how they would deal with a major incident in London--it was quite clear the powers that be would feed the media with what they wanted to put out in order to control the public.(including half truths and lies) So like DD I don't trust and believe everything I first hear from media outlets.
Notice how the Govt and media always refer to them as "Islamic Terrorists" rather than "muslim nutters"
Eddtheduck---I don't have a TV I just wanted to listen to something on the radio whilst driving around --getting fed up with the media interviewing all and sundry for their take on it. Radio phone ins to see if people are changing their plans to visit London. I did hit the off button.
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I think the word is Kill not injure. This must be considered a big fail using your distorted reasoning as hundreds if not thousands were in terror of what was going on.A car driven on the pavement of a bridge full of people one woman's option was under a bus another in the Thames.This animal knew he was on a one way ticket to Hell and wanted to kill as many as possible.I know nutters and the odd criminal, please do not insult them. My thoughts are with the families and those who are still suffering.
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...and today we see world leaders attending the funeral of Martin Mcguinness. Doesn't ring true really. Bishopsgate 1993 and the Baltic Exchange bombing 1992 The one-ton bomb was contained in a large white truck and consisted of a fertilizer device wrapped with a detonation cord made from 45 kg of semtex. It killed three people: Paul Butt, 29, Baltic Exchange employee, Thomas Casey, 49, Baltic Exchange doorman, and 15-year-old Danielle Carter. Another 91 people were injured.[
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
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Now that the media know the birth name of this convert I wish they would refer to him by that name,it feels to me as though he is being honoured by using his chosen name.
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He was Adrian Elms And I think he should now be referred to as such.
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I think the guy is a nutter and a criminal, he wasn't trying to terrorise he was trying to injure. So he is a nutter and a criminal, who wasn't trying to terrorise just trying to injure!!! if this is so what was his motive or gain from this as a criminal venture? did he get some monetary gain some reward? did he drive to London just for the thrill of mowing people down which he could of done in his hometown, well the answer is so very obvious and plain to see, he wanted maximum impact, maximum publicity for his cause, the preferred method of the terrorist now is to use what is at hand, materials to make explosives can be hard to come by and can be noticed and traced, guns in this country are hard to come by unless they have contact with the criminal underground but would they then trust the Kaffir? so we are left with a heavy vehicle and an easily obtained Knife, we now have four fatalities and some very seriously injured people and an armed attempt to enter parliament, if not for terrorism then to what end DD?
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So he is a nutter and a criminal, who wasn't trying to terrorise just trying to injure!!! if this is so what was his motive or gain from this as a criminal venture? did he get some monetary gain some reward? did he drive to London just for the thrill of mowing people down which he could of done in his hometown, well the answer is so very obvious and plain to see, he wanted maximum impact, maximum publicity for his cause, the preferred method of the terrorist now is to use what is at hand, materials to make explosives can be hard to come by and can be noticed and traced, guns in this country are hard to come by unless they have contact with the criminal underground but would they then trust the Kaffir? so we are left with a heavy vehicle and an easily obtained Knife, we now have four fatalities and some very seriously injured people and an armed attempt to enter parliament, if not for terrorism then to what end DD? The reason he may not have a real motive is why I have classed him as a nutter, ie its an irrational action. Doing this action in his hometown could have had a much bigger impact - would you fear walking through Wallasey town centre because of this incident? To create maximum impact you choose an unusual and random target, that way everybody in the country would fear they are at risk. So the answer is not obvious nor plain to see. The same amount of publicity would have happened wherever it occurred in the UK. Explosives and guns are not hard to obtain/make, incendiaries are even easier. They are plain unnecessary though, as has been seen in this case, they hold higher risk without much gain. If this was a terror plot then it has totally failed, nobody is walking around in fear of this idiot - he is dead. A terrorist would think of ways to achieve maximum terror, there is little evidence of this here, it could have been planned on the back of a fag packet in less than a minute over a pint of Watney's Red Barrel. Try to see beyond the simplistic sensationalism of the media, the word terrorist came out long before the media knew what had happened, at best it was a wild guess, equally it could have just been a racist assumption - I read an early article that said he had stabbed most of the victims, I've yet to find an article that describes what happened but I'm not bothering to look any longer.
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I'm not keen on the label 'Conspiracy Theorist', i've heard one reply to this and it's 'Ah, you must be a 'Coincidence Theorist' then?
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