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Hi Kitty. oh dear Guilty as charged! I do the collection of kids when the 471 hasn't turned up for irby and they have to get the 472 but this is usually about 6:45. I usually try and time it so I just pull up at the bus stop. Odd occasion I park there for a minute or 2 but never on pavement.
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Not sure if anyone would be interested, but there's an excellent video of a recent council meeting about the charges, chaired by councillor mike sullivan, he states at the beginning of the meeting that it's 'a private meeting held in public' grin


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@ approx. 40 mins. Mike Sullivan doing the scare tactics used by the Remainers during Brexit. It's another move towards excuses for combining all of the Liverpool City Region into a greater force by 2020. Goodbye WMBC and hello Liverpool 'higher council tax, tunnel fees, parking charges, bus fares, train fares, business rates and so on'. However, that's just my opinion.

Couldn't understand a word of what the lady said about the Liverpool City Region. To fast, unclear, and accent, made it virtually impossible to decipher one word against the next. Sorry.

The introduction of parking charges and areas pinpointed would seem to indicate that the more affluent areas are the ones being targeted, and mainly the areas that have a lot of Pensioners shopping areas, where they pick up their prescription from the chemists shop, and as we've been encouraged to go to our local chemists now, for advice when we don't feel well, we will go back to the GP's instead. The whole thing has not been thought through on a rational basis. So whilst the workers are out all day earning their bread and butter, the Pensioners will be raising the income towards the short fall of the Council.
Is this the reason that small branches of supermarkets are appearing on every corner in Wirral and the reason the planning is approved, in an attempt to get rid of the small private shops. Alas, we still need hairdressers and opticians, and dry cleaners, and post offices,(atm). The florist for funerals, the funeral directors. All these businesses are ongoing and in local shopping areas. We need to defend them !

How about charging for Council Employees car parking at Wallasey ....why not ????? They probably earn more than anyone in this day and age in this area. How about parking charges at all of the council recreation centres ?

Thanks for the video Jeffrey. Although it was impossible to understand some of it, with vibes off mikes and the accent, a second viewing later might help .


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You're very welcome wink

Excellent points you make! Getting rid of some of the local councillors would be welcomed by many i'm sure as a way to save money, 66 for the Wirral seems excessive to me.

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Has anyone else watched this video, or are they not really interested ?

According to Mike Sullivan, these are only proposals and he has no idea how the information had got out.

Then at the end of the meeting, a lady in the audience asked, "if these are only proposals, how is it that notices have gone up in Arrowe Park" ?

So the committee look puzzled and leader of the council shakes his head as if 'that's not happened'.

Mike Sullivan throws in the amount of money they have lost and will lose before 2020, which could mean cuts in services, or having to pay for services, or the end of services and of course the ever old threat, 'social workers could lose their jobs'. That's a real little vote catcher isn't it ?

To say these things, they must have knowledge and plans in place beforehand, to throw out at election times. I ask, why is everything being directed, discussed, and blamed for 2020.
It crops up everywhere including major changes within the EU.

As Jeremy says 66 councillors , could some lose their jobs too, why do we need them ?

How about selling Birkenhead Town hall, and some of the now, unnecessary council buildings.

Can we compile a list for them ?


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I've only watched the parts that deal with the parking proposals, you need to wear earphones though as the sound is bad in parts. For those who didn't attend it is worth watching, I thought the Conservative councillors spoke a lot of sense and spoke of the damage it will do to the areas proposed, especially Bromborough which will be devestated, Mike Sullivan accused the Tories more than once of playing to the gallery, very unprofessional in my opinion, this isn't about politics it's about the people of Wirral and their livelihoods. I think Labour want this and they'll do all they can to push it through. One thing's for sure though, as a life long Labour voter, i'll never vote for them again after this.

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Gave up listening after a minute...would have slit my wrists having to listen to 44 minutes of it. Thanks to you who suffered on my behalf and summarised it.

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Originally Posted by granny
As Jeremy says 66 councillors , could some lose their jobs too, why do we need them ?


My bets would be that the conscientious ones would be first to go, otherwise I would happily agree with half that number.


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Out of interest, how much does a councillor earn?

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The 2015-2016 figures for each councillor are HERE

As mentioned on previous link, this doesn't include "external" committee allowances such as Merseyside Authorities (Fire etc)


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Brilliant, many thanks wink

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