WikiWirral Share a Little Learn a Lot about your Wirral
Forum Statistics
Posts1,014,183
Topics74,848
Members12,887
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs34
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
47 registered members (11kendo, 10 invisible), 1,205 guests, and294 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
67 Wheel
New General Forums
Serious Bit of Kit
by diggingdeeper. 21st Feb 2019 2:17pm
Gaza strip
by venice. 17th Feb 2019 1:30am
ISIS
by casper. 14th Feb 2019 9:32am
Join Us Tonight .. FREE ENTRY ..
by WargamerNik. 13th Feb 2019 12:29pm
New Wirral History
Vikings, Wirral
by granny. 21st Feb 2019 11:26am
Finding Information about Leslie John Robinson.
by Kaylawritinglife. 18th Feb 2019 10:34pm
Morpeth Buildings Brook St
by Ducko. 12th Jan 2009 11:39am
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
WW1 Monument, Birkenhead
No more bridge, never be the same
Topic Replies
Huge Tide
by diggingdeeper. 21st Feb 2019 2:00pm
Vikings, Wirral
by granny. 21st Feb 2019 11:45am
What are you currently reading?
by missmahjong. 21st Feb 2019 10:33am
6900 New Jobs Wirral west
by diggingdeeper. 21st Feb 2019 10:33am
What song are you listening to?
by starakita. 20th Feb 2019 6:56pm
Egremont Ferry to Be Destroyed
by casper. 20th Feb 2019 9:28am
RAF Tornado Farewell Flypast Tour
by diggingdeeper. 19th Feb 2019 2:29pm
Walrus card
by Gibbo. 19th Feb 2019 9:35am
February
M T W T F S S
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28
Recent Posts : What's On ?
RAF Tornado Farewell Flypast Tour
by diggingdeeper. 19th Feb 2019 2:29pm
Join Us Tonight .. FREE ENTRY ..
by WargamerNik. 13th Feb 2019 12:30pm
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
What happened to Lordships of the Manor? #1027634
27th Dec 2016 9:25pm
27th Dec 2016 9:25pm
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 526
Cheshire
Y
yoller Online content OP
Smartchild
yoller  Online Content OP
Smartchild
Y
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 526
Cheshire
Iíve seen a couple of websites where you can buy a Lordship of the Manor, with prices starting around the £5,000 mark. These titles, which date back to medieval times, are apparently legally saleable.

You may remember that around 2005, the footballer Djibril Cisse bought such a title along with a mansion and became Lord of the Manor of Frodsham.

I set me wondering what happened to the Lordships of the many manors in Wirral, such as Claughton, Oxton, Bidston and Birkenhead (although I'm not sure if Birkenhead was a manor in itself).

In the 1820s, Francis Price, owner of most of the land in Birkenhead, was Lord of the Manor when he sold off parcels of the land for development. Eventually, the growing town came under the auspices of improvement commissioners and later a fully-fledged corporation.

Did Price keep the Lord of the Manor title, or was it sold on with the land? If it is still in existence, could someone buy it?

Google Ads
Re: What happened to Lordships of the Manor? [Re: yoller] #1027635
27th Dec 2016 10:46pm
27th Dec 2016 10:46pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,350
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,350
Birkenhead
The ones for Sale are 99% of the time only honorific titles, not true tiles.

Eg you cannot call yourself "Lord myname of Oxton" but only may use it in the form "myname, Lord of Oxton" and even that has dubious legal standing.

Manorial variants are not true titles at all unless they have ownership of the land of the stated manor. Buying a square yard of titled land does not constitute a manor.

Its much the same as the schemes where you can name a star or planet crater - there is usually no legal standing.

More detail HERE


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: What happened to Lordships of the Manor? [Re: yoller] #1027637
27th Dec 2016 11:10pm
27th Dec 2016 11:10pm
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 37
Great Sutton
P
Papa_Juliet Offline
Newbeee
Papa_Juliet  Offline
Newbeee
P
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 37
Great Sutton
The current Lord Birkenhead is Tony Hall:
Lord Birkenhead
Who is also Director General of the BBC
Tony Hall DG of BBC

Re: What happened to Lordships of the Manor? [Re: yoller] #1027641
28th Dec 2016 12:44am
28th Dec 2016 12:44am
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,918
Heswallish
F
fish5133 Online content
Forum Guardian
fish5133  Online Content
Forum Guardian
F
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,918
Heswallish
My Title is Laird Of Lochaber as I am a land owner in that part of Scotland. It confers me fishing rights on a river. It cost around £20 off ebay. I have coordinates for my land which totals 1 square foot. I like the surrounding owners must allow free passage over my square foot. Never been there but have occasionally used the Title in letters.
One day maybe will fish there.
I suspect sheep happily use my square foot for their various activities.

This one doesn't have fishing rights
http://www.findmeagift.co.uk/lochaber-highland-estates-lord-and-lady.html

Re: What happened to Lordships of the Manor? [Re: yoller] #1027644
28th Dec 2016 12:56am
28th Dec 2016 12:56am
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 526
Cheshire
Y
yoller Online content OP
Smartchild
yoller  Online Content OP
Smartchild
Y
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 526
Cheshire
Thanks for your replies. Thereís a lot of info about Lordships of the Manor here ...

http://www.msgb.co.uk

... reading it, it looks pretty certain that they are real titles and it even has a list of those for Sale.

Thatís why I wondering what happened to the Lordships of the Manors in Wirral. They must all have ended up somewhere, or still be owned by someone.

But DD is correct in saying that these titles are NOT peerages. So, for instance, Djibril Cisse could not call himself Lord Frodsham. However, he could call himself Djibril Cisse, Lord of the Manor of Frodsham.

Re: Papa Juliet. Tony Hall's title is Lord Hall of Birkenhead, not Lord Birkenhead. He is a life peer (a baron) who chose Birkenhead as part of his title because he was born there.

The first Lord Birkenhead was the Lord Chancellor, F E Smith, who was also born in Birkenhead. He was created a baron in 1919 and became an earl in 1922 - his title was hereditary and his son became the second Earl of Birkenhead.

See Ö https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._E._Smith,_1st_Earl_of_Birkenhead

Last edited by yoller; 28th Dec 2016 1:11am.
Re: What happened to Lordships of the Manor? [Re: yoller] #1027650
28th Dec 2016 2:04pm
28th Dec 2016 2:04pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,627
wirral
E
Excoriator Offline
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Offline
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,627
wirral
Donating a load of cash to the tories will gain you a gong, if you are a feeble enough person to think people will be impressed by it.

The tories are 98% financed by donations - very little comes from members who are dying off at the rate of knots - so you should be able to pick one up at a knockdown price soon.

Re: What happened to Lordships of the Manor? [Re: Excoriator] #1027663
28th Dec 2016 6:31pm
28th Dec 2016 6:31pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,350
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,350
Birkenhead
Originally Posted by Excoriator
Donating a load of cash to the tories will gain you a gong


Which is an illegal offence! Its not the only party do appear to do this of course.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: What happened to Lordships of the Manor? [Re: yoller] #1027679
28th Dec 2016 11:08pm
28th Dec 2016 11:08pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,627
wirral
E
Excoriator Offline
Forum Addict
Excoriator  Offline
Forum Addict
E
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,627
wirral
"Which is an illegal offence!"

Not at all! It is simply a recognition of services to the party!

Not that you can call the tories a party really. They are a business pressure group. Look who pays the piper!

Take a look at Parliamentary briefing paper No 5125 which you can download in PDF form here:

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05125

The membership is so low they have failed to report it since 2013. Surely there must be some minimum number of members before a group can be called a political party, and claim TV time etc?


Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Vikings, Wirral
by granny. 21st Feb 2019 11:26am
Huge Tide
by diggingdeeper. 21st Feb 2019 10:25am
6900 New Jobs Wirral west
by fish5133. 20th Feb 2019 11:49am
Egremont Ferry to Be Destroyed
by diggingdeeper. 19th Feb 2019 3:41pm
Walrus card
by venice. 19th Feb 2019 3:23am
For Sale & Free
Wheel
by Thorwalker. 18th Feb 2019 1:10pm
Creative Gigaworks T40 Series II Speakers
by Catsick. 16th Feb 2019 11:18am
HP Envy 13.3 Laptop AD059NA
by Catsick. 16th Feb 2019 11:16am
Shed/Summerhouse Guttering Kit
by Catsick. 16th Feb 2019 11:10am
Member Spotlight
granny
granny
Wirral
Posts: 16,149
Joined: June 2011
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
TonyB1, Dwynwen, URBen, Kaylawritinglife, Nick_senior
12887 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
6900 New Jobs Wirral west
by fish5133. 20th Feb 2019 11:49am
Walrus card
by venice. 19th Feb 2019 3:23am
RAF Tornado Farewell Flypast Tour
by diggingdeeper. 16th Feb 2019 12:36pm
Join Us Tonight .. FREE ENTRY ..
by WargamerNik. 13th Feb 2019 12:30pm
Vue Cinema and Birkenhead Market For Demolition?
by fish5133. 12th Feb 2019 11:35pm
News : New Topics
Huge Tide
by diggingdeeper. 21st Feb 2019 10:25am
Egremont Ferry to Be Destroyed
by diggingdeeper. 19th Feb 2019 3:41pm
School Kids Climate Change Protests
by fish5133. 15th Feb 2019 2:08pm
Brief brown-out in New Ferry
by Excoriator. 11th Feb 2019 10:53pm
Very ill informed distracted youth " protesting "
by svenlock68. 11th Feb 2019 10:30am
New Enthusiast Forums
European Parliament on now.
by granny. 15th Feb 2019 3:26pm
RIP Gordon Banks
by diggingdeeper. 12th Feb 2019 1:48pm
NAILS IN DOG BISCUITS
by venice. 8th Feb 2019 10:24am
Super Bowl Chilli
by granny. 5th Feb 2019 2:13pm
Inside Europe
by granny. 5th Feb 2019 10:54am
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Thu 7:17am
Sunset Thu 5:34pm
Local Time Thu 2:52pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1