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Some of us have been considering it for 20 or 30 years.pro eu politicians have signed up for things to follow their eu ideology without a mandate from the people. Constant refusal and delaying of a referendum just got peoples backs up and suspicions aroused.
On a side issue or maybe more important one is why is eu parliament building designed as the unfinished tower of babel and also the woman riding a beast is prominent in eu symbolism. Both prophetical imagery from bible and book of revelation.
Just researching something else at the moment to ascertain accuracy and that is that seat number 666 is not allocated to an mep..gut feel its not true but wouldnt surprise me

Yes, and cant you just imagine that at the interviews , anyone showing a wish to come to the UK will just have their name asked , a 5 second check on their suitability for acceptance, rubber stamped and waved happily through !! We could be having to take a huge proportion of what Germany took , before Brexit is finalized . Even ones that didnt fancy the Uk may have their minds changed with a few well placed words.

Just reading about Erdogans clamping down on the media. 145 journalist behind bars for saying or writing the wrong things. Worrying times for the Turks and their neighbours. Thank God for the English Channel!

Joking apart it is a difficult moral dilemma about taking in refugees especially if we consider ourselves a civilised country. Its easy to find excuses not to help. Its a numbers game. As a nation you can "lose" many without a problem.
Creating ghettos is not always helpful and the more and more that are needed may spoil are green and pleasant land

Reform from within does not happen when the people concerned do not engage with the people of the nations. One Prime Minister in defence of his own country is not heard, everything has to be overall policies. So 28 countries, all with different views and positions on things, some have grown up in far left, others far right, others from communist countries and leaders from those countries sit in officialdom in the European Parliament voting on how all other EU nations should adapt to change. They don't even know the true meaning of democracy, which incidentally seems to be getting diluted anyway.Modern day democracy ! How can there ever be reform from within ? It would take a lifetime. Eventually one leader, one state. Until Russia or China get a strong hold and then one leader, one world.
We also have to understand who is at the back of it all. Fish is right in some of his assumptions. Read about the Rothschild's connections in the world of today. They control most of it and no doubt have a plan in place for Brexit, A family with an amassed fortune and unscrupulous dealings ,basically running the show. No one talks about this family and the power they have in any sort of detrimental way, but my goodness our own people of this nation are more than happy to slander the nations wish for sovereignty and Queen.

Mr. Erdogan has a brutal mentality and is reverting to the death penalty, civil rights clamp down, and rekindling all the agendas that Europe have disposed of. He doesn't even listen to the UN. How can anyone think he is fit to bring his country into the EU as a member state ? If he did, he'd be voting on how we should have rules and laws imposed on this country and every other country based on his own personal views.

Ironically, some still think he should be allowed and I consider the only reason for that is the possibility for Turkey to act as a cushion between Iraq, Iran,and Syria
Europe is getting too big and when I did geography, Turkey wasn't even in Europe and neither was Israel. However, the latter has moves towards Europe accession in the future too.

We didn't think Trump would be elected, why would it not be possible for Mr Erdogan (or similar) to be elected President of the EU ? Can you not see the dangers that sit in waiting ?

Erdogan is a strong ruler of a difficult country, look at other similar countries with civil and international disturbance and what has happened when we have removed their rulers (Iraq!), it descends into chaos and more people die.

It takes time for nations to develop, we should allow for this and not expect overnight solutions to human rights etc, we are hardly a good example of what to aim for.

Erdogan has been played by the EU (in their eyes) but he was always aware that he was in a position of power. Play dangerous games with dangerous people and you risk getting hurt.

Turkey has been a strategic partner to many nations for a long time with mutual advantages to all sides, why on earth did the idiots that run the EU risk losing what is a good asset?

Violence is not strength.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38126581

Do you not think similar things didn't go on here when our country was at a similar level of development. It isn't right, it isn't fair but it is part of the natural process. Trying to shortcut or interfere with that process usually makes things worse not better. The

Oh, granny. Even when you did geography Turkey was (and still is) in Europe.

I always thought it was Asia Minor. Sorry, does that show my age ?



One of the great crossroads of ancient civilization is a broad peninsula that lies between the Black and Mediterranean seas. Called Asia Minor (Lesser Asia) by the Romans, the land is the Asian part of modern Turkey.

With reference to our development , Turkey has a far older/ancient civilisation than we do.

Who is trying to interfere ? He is not meeting any of the criteria laid out for becoming a member of the EU. That's up to him, but we are not re-introducing the death penalty, neither have 10,000's civil servants ever been imprisoned in this country. He should not be welcomed yet into the EU and not for many years. He jumps from one side of the fence to the other, constantly and after recently visiting Iran has been warned of the trap.


Love you, kissy ,kissy !!!!

You are both right and both wrong.

Turkey is in Europe and Asia, the majority of the country is in Asia as is its capital so it is normally classed as Asian.

Its largest city is in Europe.

The map you show has Armenia and Georgia as Europe, Armenia is definitely in Asia, Georgia is also in Asia but is often classed as Europe.

I think we would have everybody locked up that was involved in a violent coup. When was the last time we had any form of violent coup? I'm sure we still had the death penalty then. Turkey is at a different stage of development, you have to compare like with like.

I am not both right and wrong. I am right. I didn't say Turkey isn't in Asia. I didn't say Turkey is all in Europe. I said it is in Europe - which is correct.

In that case, if they are at a different stage of development, and so far behind, they are definitely not ready to join EU. It is highly thought that he was actually behind the military coup. Too many coincidences and a good excuse to get rid of all those who stood in his way.

Spellbinder, If you are right and I am wrong, but I am also right and you are also wrong, does that mean we can both be half right or half wrong ?