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Originally Posted by granny
Having listened to radio 4 a bit earlier, a gentleman from France was explaining that in many cases the Intelligence in France is not necessarily shared with others, particularly with Belgium. Now having been through all this and the threats that we won't be able to share Intelligence with EU if we leave, stands to be questioned.


Saw an interview with MI6 a while ago and they reckoned they didnt benefit much from any Euro infor , but Europe benefited from ours as ours is much better. Of course he might be biased,I dont know , but generally our intelligence is considered as quite good apparently.

Maybe this will be something that will bring all the intelligence services up to scratch and cooperating to the max. Dont have to be in the EU for that to be done , and it would be lunacy for any country not to cooperate with another European country as shared knowledge for this helps us all.

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A swift change in the anti terrorist laws would be a start, deportation for a sniff of terrorist involvement, I know they say they will fight abroad but at least we know where they are and are not a danger to women and children here, or in any other country, let them take their religious bile and hatred back to their homelands, how can we hope to win a war against terrorism when we pussyfoot around, illegal immigrants arrested and released and told to report to a police station later on because they (allegedly ) have no passport its farcical, whats wrong with hop into my van and we will return you to the last country you passed through, but no, so now we have untold numbers of foreign nationals roaming around with no ID and no traceable address who cannot or will not provide their country of origin.

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Originally Posted by casper
illegal immigrants arrested and released and told to report to a police station later on because they (allegedly ) have no passport its farcical


Agreed casper, but what granny says about the homegrown ones that have a passport from the country they are already in rings true
Would it be right to pass the buck onto another country and dump them in the country of there parents and let them deal with

That would be burying our heads in the sand and the problem will still be there

I am not saying any of these ideas are wrong because I don't have a definitive answer, but is it actually solving this worldwide problem that we all share or brushing it under the carpet

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To be able to deal with something effectively it has to be a targeted approach, these little groups or cells of terrorists are extremely difficult to infiltrate, and as much as people would like to deny it they have some limited support from their communities, families or in some cases mosques this may be as little as not reporting suspicious activities to the authorities but it is support, it does on face value seem unfair to pass the problem back to their country of origin, but is that not the place from where these acts of terrorism originate, Imprisonment is the worst thing we can do, Prison is a breeding ground, a place where they can indoctrinate others and plan other acts of murder and terrorism, I don't know what the answer is, but it is far easier to deal with all the rotten eggs in one basket in their own backyard.

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Lost for words.
An everyday lorry turned into a killing machine. .

I seen some footage from the road afterwards and there were partners holding the hands of loved ones on there knees, whom were already dead or dying.

It looked like every 6ft or so another body, absolutely heartbreaking.

This won't be ending anytime soon if this can be the actions of a man and a machine.

Rest in peace those poor souls at the had of a evil man.

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Originally Posted by granny
Having listened to radio 4 a bit earlier, a gentleman from France was explaining that in many cases the Intelligence in France is not necessarily shared with others, particularly with Belgium. Now having been through all this and the threats that we won't be able to share Intelligence with EU if we leave, stands to be questioned.


Saw an interview with MI6 a while ago and they reckoned they didnt benefit much from any Euro infor , but Europe benefited from ours as ours is much better. Of course he might be biased,I dont know , but generally our intelligence is considered as quite good apparently.

Maybe this will be something that will bring all the intelligence services up to scratch and cooperating to the max. Dont have to be in the EU for that to be done , and it would be lunacy for any country not to cooperate with another European country as shared knowledge for this helps us all.


The paper's yesterday were very critical of Frances security arrangements or lack of regarding the monitoring of immigrants apparently they cannot hold records of origin, race, sexuality, religion, they have reported that there are disenfrachised immigrant districts close to where this atrocity happened that are hotbeds of crime and dominated by sharia law, the authorities have no record or idea of who lives there, this is a consequence of liberalism, the tail being allowed to wag the dog, appeasement to keep the peace, give an inch take a mile.

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While looking at some of the YouTube about the Nice attack I clicked on this young guy talking about it. He was very right wing and whilst I didn't agree with a lot he said I found myself saying yes that's true. What he was saying was basically we all going along saying we've just got t live with all this and hoping it's not us or ours and pussyfooting about , arresting people but then letting them go even though they highly suspicious and we are all so scared of being called racists that we won't report anything in case it's wrong. Everything got to politically correct in case we upset someone that we are playing into their hands, and such attacks will continue. This is war, his words not mine . As I say I couldn't help but agree with a lot of what he said.

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A classic case is the lad that died in police custody in Liverpool, the news reports state black teenager dies in police custody, to many this implies some sort of agenda or wrong doing, if it had been a white teenager dying under the same circumstances it would have read teenager dies in police custody.

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To be fair casper a lot ofthe reports i listened to on radio merseyside never mentioned his colour. First i knew he was black was when i saw picture. I know what you mean ....more newsworthy

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