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Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? #1013242
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Eagle is still going about things the wrong way.

Angela is criticising Corbyn for not resolving the leadership problem, however, the ball is in her court, if she wants to challenge his leadership then it is not done through words, it is done through action - she knows the official process, it is her that is holding back not Corbyn.

There is no leadership battle at the moment. If she wants to develop any respect then she should do the challenge and stop faffing around.

As with most parties at the moment, there are no obvious leaders, Corbyn has got more going for him than anyone else in Labour.

Jeremy Corbyn
Angela Eagle
David Miliband
Hilary Benn
John McDonnell
Dan Jarvis
Clive Lewis
Tom Watson

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In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
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Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1013252
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"By the next election in 1992 the Labour Party machine moved against rebellious Wallasey Labour Party, expelled key activists and shut down the CLP so it couldn't decide on its candidate. Whilst the CLP was shut down Angela Eagle was imposed as the candidate."
So when Angela Eagle says "resolve the crises" let History give you guidance on what the Permanent political class actually mean.

http://www.workersliberty.org/node/26839

On reflection I think Angela Eagle SHOULD stand. It'll be hilarious when she loses by a landslide.


Mia Mabel

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh! Jer-e-my Cor-byn

Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1013270
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And when she loses, that will be the signal for the breakup of the present Labour party: then you Marxists will have no chance of being part of a government.


Carpe diem.
Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1013272
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We'll see....

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Mia Mabel

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh! Jer-e-my Cor-byn

Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: chriskay] #1013273
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Originally Posted by chriskay
then you Marxists will have no chance of being part of a government.


Big scary word Marxism - very few people that use it know what it means, it is not a political stance, it is a method of analysis.

Its amazing how the right wing politicians (Conservative and Labour) find democracy so scary and they are so afraid of the left yet they swear the left is no perceivable threat.

I vote for those that have morals, this excludes 99% of capitalists.


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We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1013274
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Is a Marxist? a political stance, taken after studying Marxism. I truly believe Corbyn is a Marxist and not a method of analysis.

Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: chriskay] #1013276
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Originally Posted by chriskay
And when she loses, that will be the signal for the breakup of the present Labour party: then you Marxists will have no chance of being part of a government.


Before you attach a label to something or someone it would be wise to understand what it means, as dd already stated Marxism is a socioeconomic analysis/ theory later developed by his followers to form the basis of communism, or maybe the word communist was a tad to strong to use chris.

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Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: casper] #1013277
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What the word originally meant is irrelevant: it's what people understand it to mean now, even if that's not the same. I'll use Communist if you would feel easier with that (although I don't really care what you and your fellow-travellers think).


Carpe diem.
Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: chriskay] #1013283
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Originally Posted by chriskay
What the word originally meant is irrelevant: it's what people understand it to mean now, even if that's not the same. I'll use Communist if you would feel easier with that (although I don't really care what you and your fellow-travellers think).


Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: RUDEBOX] #1013284
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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
We'll see....


You seem to have forgotten Tim Farron.

Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1013285
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I personally don't see much difference between communism and so called democracy or any other form of governance (past and present).
They all end up with an elite core at the top who have control of most of the media and support of the wealthy and and use them to stay in power as long as they can to gain even more wealth.
Look at America and their political dynasties
Look at Russia Putin and his Oligarchs
Look at Britain and check who are millionaires in the parties and who owns the media

Most seem to pay lip service about inequality and a fairer distribution of wealth.

Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1013289
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Carpe diem.
Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: casper] #1013290
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I'll use Communist if you would feel easier with that (although I don't really care what you and your fellow-travellers think). [/quote]
[/quote]

Sorry if you feel offended chriskay, it appears that support of the Labour party makes one suspect,harking back to the days of McCarthyism reds under the beds etc, and that appeared to stand out in your response.

Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: casper] #1013300
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Originally Posted by casper
harking back to the days of McCarthyism reds under the beds etc


Yep, anything left of Attila/Thatcher is a communist who eat children for breakfast etc.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Angela Eagle - What Leadership Battle? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1013313
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I'd like to know either way if there is a challenge and Jeremy Corbyn wins again will

1 The mps knuckle down and support him up to the next election (possibly if there is a snap election after the Tories select their leader) and if they lose then possibly a vote for a new leader then.

2 Will they break away to form a new party (splitting the Labour vote and more or less let the Tories in with a huge majority)

3 Will they be deselected and new members more to Jeremy Corbyns stance on austerity etc be put up for selection

I've avidly watched lots of interviews no-one has come up with
answer, all avoiding the question when asked

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