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#1006920 - 11th Apr 2016 6:01am The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism
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Some of the survey results are very worrying.

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#1006924 - 11th Apr 2016 8:56am Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: diggingdeeper]
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This one is firmly marked on our calendar. Should be very interesting. You're not wrong, the %'s are scary in some cases if theyre true.

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#1006925 - 11th Apr 2016 9:42am Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: diggingdeeper]
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The government now having lit the fuse don't know how to deal with it' as it doesn't affect most of the green and pleasant lands down South the rest of the country will be left with the fallout.

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#1006930 - 11th Apr 2016 11:27am Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Firstly, one of those pictures is from 'Muslims against the crusaders" Demonstrations.

Although we have a great many people on here(wiki) and in this country, happy to blame the 'Christian Crusaders' for any amount of things in the first instance and how the world of Islam is retaliating. Did they know that the first 'crusades' were Islamic ? Maybe that could be a point to start with, and let the Muslim population know about all of it on a media outlet . It might be helpful to understand both sides of the origins of such matters.
The Tabuk Crusades of 630AD. led 30,000 jihadists against Byzantine Christians.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/crusades_timeline.htm

On top of that, I know that Casper would like to pin all the bad things on one person, but it can't be the same person for everything.
Relating to the possible 'none impact' on the green and pleasant lands down south. Is total bull sh1t, Casper. You have no clue at all of the population of the above mentioned and many more ethnic minorities 'down south'. That is rediculous to have a notion of such , and certainly shows a distaste for those whom you think are of 'better class' than in the North ! Well, that is so wrong and really shows your insecurities. Who works the docks in Felixstowe, and Southampton, who works in the Tate and Lyle factories, and who cleans the steets, who are the teachers, and who are the bus drivers, who are the hospital porters and who are the airport staff ? They are the same in the 'South' as they are here, and they have a massive truly massive immigrant population in London, Kent, Suffolk, Sussex and other places, and none of it attributed to Mr Cameron ! For Example:

Ethnic groups in London

Crowd along Ladbroke Grove during the Notting Hill Carnival, 2006
London is one of the most ethnically diverse cities on Earth. In 2007 there were over 300 languages spoken in it and more than 50 non-indigenous communities with a population of more than 10,000.

At the 2011 census London had a population of 8,173,941. Of this number, 44.9% were White British. 37% of the population were born outside the UK, including 24.5% born outside of Europe.[2]


Of course there has been another influence behind the scenes for a long time, quiet maybe, but beavering away even so. That would be Shami Chakrabarti and her civil liberties group 'Liberty'. Coming 2nd in the 'Most Inspiring Political Figure' in 2006. In 2005 she was placed on a shortlist of 'who may run Britain'. She has been extremely controversial in connection with security policies in this country and denounced the counter terrorism acts following the 7/11 attacks. Basically her 'Human 'Rights' issues have only been fought for one side of the coin. Well they have what they wanted now and can only build on the foundations. What would anyone else do ? She has at last resigned last Month, maybe she has seen the irreversible error of her ways.

One major change would be to take all these minority groups off our political scene otherwise the greater the ethnic population the greater the ethnic number of MP's. Have them maybe in advisory positions , but not as the elected candidates. We could end up with a Parliament full of unrecognisable faces, with little to no recognisable backgrounds.

Have a look at this and then say we north of Watford,carry all the burden .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London#Asian_population_of_London


Edited by granny (11th Apr 2016 11:35am)
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#1006958 - 11th Apr 2016 4:34pm Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: granny]
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One more thing. Why do we have Sadiq Khan (Muslim) and Zac Goldsmith( Jewish) standing against each other as contenders for London Mayor ? Could this be a battle ground likely to involve different issues and likely to leave London to get on with their own problems .


Edited by granny (11th Apr 2016 4:35pm)
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#1006975 - 11th Apr 2016 5:44pm Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Come on granny,you know what I am talking about, of course there is a high concentration of immigrants in the areas you have mentioned because of the availability of employment, there are also vast amounts of green and pleasant land that not only wont suffer immigrants but wont allow social housing, and yes I do know a lot about the South, I was based down there, and speaking of bullshit,you say I think they are of a better class,not at all, I cant speak for all, but the ones I have had contact with seem to have a grudge certainly against Liverpool and the constant jaded references to thieving scousers wears very thin eventually, give me the Jocks or Irish any day, a better class by far, so there smile

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#1006983 - 11th Apr 2016 6:55pm Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: casper]
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So it's pot calling kettle is it ,Casper. You called me ,so I'll call you. We also have green and pleasant lands up here. More millionaires per square mile in Cheshire than anywhere else in the country. Wealthy little villages without social housing. Why would we wish for social housing in the middle of a picturesque village for goodness sake ? We have green and pleasant lands in Wirral, we also have social housing, and some of it brings areas into disrepute too.

If the jobs are down there to keep the migrant population in the 'South',(not sure that's altogether true, as they hang about on street corners in Felixstowe now, and pester young girls) is that not a good thing in your eyes ? Try Ashford and Folkestone, see what's going on there too. Bristol is another, it's just simply being kept quiet.

Now one big mistake Casper, forgiveness is not on the menu !....JOCK, definitely NO. JOCK doesn't want the benefit of our green and pleasant lands nor our generosity frequently despatched to all and sundry and the Irish (of which Mr J Mcdonnell was an IRA sympathiser) that lot didn't want us either. So we'll stick together like glue and wait for the invasion.

When things become so desperate and we raise our eyes to the heavens and cry 'Lord Help Us' ..it will be too late !
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#1006985 - 11th Apr 2016 7:19pm Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: granny]
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Okay then granny, could I wear ma kilt one last time, maybe for a good spanking ? smile

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#1006988 - 11th Apr 2016 8:01pm Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: casper]
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You too ? Not sure battling beneath a kilt would be a good prospect. One could disappear ! But hey , always ready for a challenge ,Casper.

One of my grandfather was from the hills too, he also flung his sporran around. laugh

Off topic ? Yes
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#1007154 - 14th Apr 2016 7:23am Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
Some of the survey results are very worrying.

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Update. The program " What British Muslims really think?" was on last night at 10pm . Pretty fair I thought . They went to great lengths to explain/validate the method of research - although not being a research expert , despite it sounded good , I wouldn't know how much it could have been squewed , and CH4's hard hitting progs always seem to be considered by many liberals as designed for entertainment impact rather than truth.

If the conclusion of the prog, is that right now, before we even see the effects of Mrs M's 'open house' (and the now vast numbers of missing incomers), or bitterness caused by Europe turning on migrants at borders -- that we can only just about hope to retain Britain as something recognizable to us if we agressively push integration , then OMG what hope is there going to be once the issues I mentioned really begin to play out over the coming years?
Gloomy gloomy outlook in my opinion.


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#1007185 - 14th Apr 2016 1:32pm Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: diggingdeeper]
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History will eventually show that we cocked it up, not for us but for the following generations. It's sad really.

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#1007199 - 14th Apr 2016 4:40pm Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: BandyCoot]
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Originally Posted By: BandyCoot
History will eventually show that we cocked it up, not for us but for the following generations. It's sad really.

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Yup, it grieves me too. Too late now of cause, the horse has bolted. The population in two generation's time will be unrecognisable as what we, presently, think of as British. And all because our generation was too afraid of being call racially prejudice if we spoke up against it and our politicians were too afraid of losing votes if they didn't allow it.


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#1007236 - 14th Apr 2016 7:50pm Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: palemoon]
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On a slightly different angle and taking Obamah's message about Libya as true and worrying. .It would seem that we are really in the throes of a war. What do we do in war, and why don't we bomb Libya again . Libyans are not doing a thing about trying to stem the flow. Put a halt to ISIS and put a halt to migrants using it as a transit camp to Europe. Another year of faffing about by the EU is going to be disastrous. All these Syrian migrants must be travelling through Eqypt too. It would appear that anyone can move anywhere now, so long as it alleviates a problem elsewhere.

Is that cruel, unrealistic or not acceptable ? 3 to 4,000 rescued in two days, is also cruel the deaths resulting from these crossing will be staggering. Should we be cruel to be kind ?


Edited by granny (14th Apr 2016 7:57pm)
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#1007239 - 14th Apr 2016 8:44pm Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Its difficult for us to understand being an island, there has always been a lot more traffic around mainland countries than officially announced.
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#1007288 - 15th Apr 2016 12:23pm Re: The Failed Policy of Multiculturalism [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
. Libyans are not doing a thing about trying to stem the flow. Put a halt to ISIS and put a halt to migrants using it as a transit camp to Europe.


Not sure the Libyans have the capacity to do anything really? Thanks to us,the Americans and the French, theyve gone from being a prosperous country, to not even really having a Govt in charge at all.

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