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#1004944 - 21st Mar 2016 4:05pm Help..any mathematicians ?
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Trying to sell mobile home.

Sale price to include site fees 16,705

Package reduced to 15,500 to include site fees.

Owners Offer to buy it off me.

12,790.00 ( 15,500 less 2710) less our 15% commission of 1918.50 plus 20% vat of 383.70, a total of 2302.20. Deducted from the 12,790.00 this would make a balance payable to you of 10487.80.

I am willing to pay you the 10487.80 by way of 7777.80 for the caravan plus 100% refund of the site fees of 2710 just paid.


Now does that seem right ?
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#1004945 - 21st Mar 2016 4:19pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: granny]
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This wouldn't happen to be on a site in LLanarmon- yn- Lal would it Granny? Relatives of mine were similarly taken to the cleaners when they wanted to sell their caravan.

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#1004948 - 21st Mar 2016 4:41pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: granny]
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No, they have subtracted the site fees twice and added once. Putting it in a simpler form ...

Caravan Sale price - 12790 (excludes site fees in this price)
MINUS 15% commission inc VAT @ 20% - 2302.20
PLUS refund of site fees 2710

End total 13197.80
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#1004949 - 21st Mar 2016 4:52pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Thank you very much......but he won't have it. He cannot see that he has got it wrong and I can't persuade him otherwise. Grrrrrrr !
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#1004950 - 21st Mar 2016 4:54pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: granny]
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To make it even clearer, treat the caravan and site fees as two totally separate sales.

Caravan selling at 12790, commission on Sale 2302.20, balance owing is 10487.80.

Fees selling at 2710, balance owing 2710.

Sum of two balances for both sales 10487.80 + 2710 = 13197.80
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#1004951 - 21st Mar 2016 4:54pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: ludwigvan]
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Originally Posted By: ludwigvan
This wouldn't happen to be on a site in LLanarmon- yn- Lal would it Granny? Relatives of mine were similarly taken to the cleaners when they wanted to sell their caravan.


No Lud, but I think they all come out of the same tool box. Infuriating. Plus, he constantly says one thing and then changes it and denies. That is the trouble with phones. I have now told him to communicate by email. I think he's probably next say he won't sell it for me.
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#1004952 - 21st Mar 2016 4:56pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
To make it even clearer, treat the caravan and site fees as two totally separate sales.

Caravan selling at 12790, commission on Sale 2302.20, balance owing is 10487.80.

Fees selling at 2710, balance owing 2710.

Sum of two balances for both sales 10487.80 + 2710 = 13197.80


I might send that to him, see what he comes back with.
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#1004953 - 21st Mar 2016 5:00pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: granny]
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For 2710 extra profit, I wouldn't be able to see it either wink

Selective blindness yes
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#1004955 - 21st Mar 2016 5:09pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: granny]
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If you want to play him at his own game (noting that this is nonsense but equally hard to see the problem).

Caravan 15500 including site fees already paid
LESS 2790 commission inc VAT
PLUS 2710 refund for site fees that were already paid.

Total 15420

Noting the higher commission price and his higher VAT payment which still doesn't account for the large increase.
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#1004957 - 21st Mar 2016 5:20pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Ha ! That would cause a stir, wouldn't it.

It would be even more acceptable if I hadn't paid my site fees. I ask for a month extension on the second of March . Told it would be ok. Next thing (10 days) he wants immediate payment or I'd be dragged off plot and dumped. So it was paid for the plot. Now he wants me off there anyway, and he's trying every 'which way' to do so. Only because another jerk is putting the pressure on him for the plot. At the same time trying to fiddle.

A grand warning to others who may fall into the trap.
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#1004958 - 21st Mar 2016 5:39pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
To make it even clearer, treat the caravan and site fees as two totally separate sales.

Caravan selling at 12790, commission on Sale 2302.20, balance owing is 10487.80.

Fees selling at 2710, balance owing 2710.

Sum of two balances for both sales 10487.80 + 2710 = 13197.80


I might send that to him, see what he comes back with.


I have sent this through now. So let's wait and see what the response is.
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#1005043 - 22nd Mar 2016 12:08pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: granny]
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This gets better: raftl

Says he didn't get my email of yesterday. What a surprise !

I did not say to him that the site fees should not have been deducted from the 15,500.

Even so, I still can't see his figures are correct.

Email received:

However, having checked my email to you, I realise that you are quite correct in pointing out on the phone that my figures were wrong and that the site fees should not have been deducted from the 15,500. My sincere apologies this was a genuine error on my part and was not an attempt to ask you to pay site fees twice! Therefore the correct balance would be 12,710 having deducted 15% commission of 2325 plus 20% vat of 465.



My offer of 10,487-80 (caravan purchase plus 100 % refund of site fees) still stands and will do so for 7 days. Plus 1000 in cash (that's a bribe from someone and I don't do bribes) A total sum therefore of 11,487-80 is a really good offer .
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#1005044 - 22nd Mar 2016 12:17pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
This gets better: raftl

Says he didn't get my email of yesterday. What a surprise !

I did not say to him that the site fees should not have been deducted from the 15,500.

Even so, I still can't see his figures are correct.

Email received:

However, having checked my email to you, I realise that you are quite correct in pointing out on the phone that my figures were wrong and that the site fees should not have been deducted from the 15,500. My sincere apologies this was a genuine error on my part and was not an attempt to ask you to pay site fees twice! Therefore the correct balance would be 12,710 having deducted 15% commission of 2325 plus 20% vat of 465.



My offer of 10,487-80 (caravan purchase plus 100 % refund of site fees) still stands and will do so for 7 days. Plus 1000 in cash (that's a bribe from someone and I don't do bribes) A total sum therefore of 11,487-80 is a really good offer .



Sorry, the red bit was my words. Should have put it outside of the email.
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#1005049 - 22nd Mar 2016 1:10pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: granny]
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So he realises he got site fees wrong, he is now offering you even less for the caravan and claiming he's giving 1000 more.

He's a real verbal acrobat.

Soz, on phone so can't do the figures now.
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#1005055 - 22nd Mar 2016 2:19pm Re: Help..any mathematicians ? [Re: granny]
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He knows how much it would cost to move the caravan so he has got you trapped. I believe figures of 5000 are not unheard of. In light of that it may pay you to accept his current offer.

I would point out that he accepted the 12 month site fees and so you have a 12 month contract. If he wants out of the contract it is him that has to pay you for compensation of early termination of contract.

He is abusing his position, basically by thwarting your attempt to sell the caravan privately and so leaving him as the only buyer and giving you a low offer. You will not be able to sell the caravan for this price if the new owner has to move it off site.

His bid still deducts the fees once and adds them once, which means he still not refunding you the fees that you have already paid, he is refunding the deduction in the bid.
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