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It looks dreadful. Thirty thousand 'refugees' massing on the Syrian side of the Turkish border. I can understand Turkey wanting to keep them there , purely because at least there, they can keep an eye on them so to speak - the alternative to letting them in and seeing them rapidly disperse ,uncontrolled. What I dont get is where the heck is the rest of the 30 billion dollars promised to Turkey to help alleviate the refugee suffering? Not that that is going to solve everything, as there will be another million or 2 if Aleppo falls and Assad chooses to allow any out of the city to access the 'escape' routes to the North and West .

I cant see Aleppo making a comeback, its surrounded now on 3 sides , with routes out blocked. Putin is continuing to bomb mercilessly , illegal cluster bombs and other nasties are all involved too. So much suffering and so many lives lost unecessarily . What a hateful thing war is.

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I heard on the news last week it was 400,000 heading for Turkey.
Saudi Arabia is now getting involved by sending some troops to Syria.Its serious war now.
Aljazeera is a good news channel.

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As if there arent enough different factions in there! If they are going to support the rebels, I wonder if that will just prolong things.

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Yet again its mostly all able young men fleeing.

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Not all though. I dont condone it, but you can see where theyre coming from if they think they are making the arduous trip in order to save their families later by bringing them here. Hard to know whether to believe that or not though, isnt it.

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Angela Merkel is looking worried for once.

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If taking Assad out would help you can bet it would be considered by various governments but the Saddam and Gadaffi affairs may be giving second thoughts.

Its not really war more slaughter. In these cases we see how powerless some politicians really are.

When you think of all the empty caravans , camp sites and holiday centres there are thousands could easily be helped --but whose going to have the bottle to push for it.

Just makes you feel helpless humanity

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Originally Posted by snowhite
Angela Merkel is looking worried for once.


She looked as sick as a parrot today, and Im not surprised. The situation must weigh heavily on her shoulders, whatever she professes to think.

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If there hadn't been an escape route in the first place some of the young men may have stayed and fought for their own country instead of being conscription dodgers.

ISIS didn't happen overnight.

Everything that has been done by outside countries with Syria is exactly the things that not only allowed but encouraged this mess to happen.

Syria was on America's list of seven countries to wipe out long before ISIS existed. This was publicly stated in 1999 and probably on the books long before that. The seven countries being Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran, the only difference was they hoped to complete this by 2004 being stupidly over-optimistic of their own capabilities.


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Fish, a lot of caravan on sites are privately owned . No one could be forced to sub let. Other sites that have to close in the winter season, have to for a reason and they are not suitable for all year round occupation. These are rules set down by authorities etc. For that they have to have street lights put up and all sorts. The likes of the big caravan places e.g. Hoseasons are sometimes all year around and therefore not likely to fill them with migrants for fear of loosing business.

Unfortunately , those people will not stop , now they are on the move. They've seen how many have managed to get to Europe and there is strength in numbers. They will push the boundaries without taking heed of Mrs Merkel or any other one who might plead for it all to stop.

I think Turkey are doing the right thing atm even though UN are not in favour. They are camped ,still in Syria their homeland, but being cared for by the Turks. That I would have thought should be pleasing to all if there is not threat. There would appear to be more of a threat should so many travel into Europe, which they will do once (if) they get through Turkey's border . Why is it that UN and others always put a spanner in the works ? Mr Brown was over in London last week begging businesses to donate to the UN. It has not any money, but if the top jobs are held by the likes of Mr Brown, its hardly surprising. How do these failed leaders get positions of such magnitude ? He's the UN's special envoy for global education . !!! He couldn't even add up.

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Just watching a programme where migrants arriving in Greece said they left school a month early because from where they come from in Afghanistan, they have been told that Europe is open to everyone. So there we have it!

The other things is, which I read about somewhere, if they go into education (which is what nearly all profess to want) they get more money ! They do in his country.

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Originally Posted by venice
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Angela Merkel is looking worried for once.


She looked as sick as a parrot today, and Im not surprised. The situation must weigh heavily on her shoulders, whatever she professes to think.
Its now 1 million that heading for the Turkish borders.not counting the 30,000 that are already stranded there.
Russia is getting the blame for all the bombings on Syria.

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