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Thats what i was wondering Snoeshoes.
Does granny know something that we don"t????

I sold them to her, she should know.

No you didn't. You should take more coffee with it !

It was Casper who was after your frillies, I got the wig.

Here is a Boris Johnson interview. He does explain a fair bit more that we have so far been allowed to understand. I did find his brief remark about the CIA getting the EU established, rather a surprise. He really is worth listening to, much more informative than others as he was in Manchester last night.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36057947



With regard to the democratic voice, we also have to consider Germany's take and how our freedom of speech could change in the future.
Turkey's President, calling the tune already (he's not a democrat). This case is about a comedian who wrote a (rude)poem about the Turkish President who then filed a complaint. Up to 3 years in jail !
Whether it's repealed or not, Turkey is going to cause problems in many areas, because we are different cultures, ...Same thing yet again !


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36055488

Paragraph 103 of Germany's penal code, on defamation of organs and representatives of foreign states, has the following to say:

(1) Whosoever insults a foreign head of state, or, with respect to his position, a member of a foreign government who is in Germany in his official capacity, or a head of a foreign diplomatic mission who is accredited in the Federal territory shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding three years or a fine, in case of a slanderous insult to imprisonment from three months to five years.

The article dates back to the penal code drafted when the German Empire was formed in 1871, although at that time it just applied to monarchs.

Was talking to someone over a pint yesterday and he said he was voting to stay in for the sake of his grandkids. My opinion is that it will be not in the grandkids interests to stay in because it's them who won't be able to get jobs, houses or anything else because there will be lots of European competition here. I'd like to be wrong but........

Its between a rock and a hard place, do you want your grand kids to be ruled by the idiots in Europe or the idiots in UK Government?

I take the line that we have a bit more control over our Government than Europe. We can vote, we can protest and if absolutely necessary we can riot (in a social manner), the later two would have virtually no effect on Europe's decision making process.

True DD. I agree that we have more of a chance in having control if a government that we elect does not have to abide to rules and laws that come from an unelected gang in the EU

If anyone saw Boris's speech in Manchester, they will remember he raised the topic of the West Coast rail . It has come to attention that EU have decreed that the West Coast line will have more freight trains, less passenger. The relative minister, argued the case saying it didn't need them , he was told (in Boris's words ) to jump in the lake. So the same minister went to the highest place in the EU, and was again told...to jump in the lake.

Reading about the freight trains...guess who owns the rail freight ?

Deutsche Bahn purchased EWS for £309 million[13] on 13 November 2007.[14] On 1 January 2009, EWS was rebranded as DB Schenker along with Deutsche Bahn's Railion and DB Schenker divisions.In March 2016 DB Schenker was rebranded as DB Cargo[15] throughout Europe. [

Were we told about this ? Nein !!

A bit more here
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/...-schenker-rail-rebrands-as-db-cargo.html

And who sold it off? Conservative PLC, we can all cherry pick things for and against granny.

Typical response from someone who can't see the wood for the trees. Nothing to do with cherry picking, everything to do with UK loss of ownership to Germany, and as it happens 2007 and 2009 didn't seem to have the Conservatives anywhere near the board room or No. 10

Most Governments we have had since 1967 have been asset stripping.

Jaguar
British Telecommunications
Cable & Wireless
British Aerospace
Britoil
British Gas
British Steel
British Petroleum
Rolls Royce
British Airways
Water
British Coal
Powergen
National Power
British Rail
Tote
British Steel Corporation
British Leyland
Shipbuilding
British Transport Docks Board
British Telecom
Amersham International
Associated British Ports
Enterprise Oil

Labour disguised their privatisation as PFI contracts.

Didn't take much interest in politics during these years, but this is SO interesting, if you have 1hr 30 mins., it's well worth watching. All I remember apart from who the Prime Minister was and leader of the opposition at the time, was my father throwing the newspaper at Heath on the TV and shouting 'traitor' ,traitor'.

This is better than TV viewing at the moment and records the initial moves to joining the Common Market.

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Love this quote:


Sir Winston Churchill once said. “We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea

Wasn't it William Hague who said "We will be part of Europe but will not be ruled by Europe" when he was leader. Despite becoming a total Euro-sceptic after that, he is now saying to stay in.