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#170851 - 6th Sep 2007 4:52pm
Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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Mark
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Registered: 9th Nov 2003
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Bidston Diphtheria Rooms of the Dead.
Unfortunately i wasn't too sure what to call this topic,
as the description i was given was The holding rooms
for the dead children that died of Diphtheria and
such like diseases, they were used to keep them separate
from ordinary dead body's.
Back in the 20's - 30's when disease was a common place,
when a person, but mainly children died of Diphtheria they
wouldn't go straight to the morgue they would be held in these
rooms where they would be for a word processed then cremated.
The Horse and Cart as a Hurst would bring the dead up the
back path to the Morgue for sorting, back then there was
a huge church and crematorium in Old Flay brick cemetery.
They would come around the side, and through cuttings in the
rock to deliver the dead.
So the pictures below show what is one of the other buildings
which we assumed would also be used for the same sorting
but can not be sure. But the one where it happened for sure
has been rubbed out, its actually on the hill, maybe the
entrance was behind the main gates now welded shut.
First let me show you what it looks like now,
the building that could have been a holding place too.
And some pictures from just inside, basically
holding the camera low and clicking with the flash on.
And
There believed to only be rooms, and not Tunnels as some
have thought. Maybe a trip inside will help.
Now where is it?
At Old Flay brick Cemetery in Bidston,
You need to come around the side of the Nann's to get in.
Number 5 Shows you the way through the fence.
Once your at the top of the hill where the picture is
taken from follow Arrow 3 and stay to the wall and
you will see the hole. It looks like its visited regularly.
Where i have marked 1 & 2 is where i was told the "Real"
holding rooms were for the children with Diphtheria,
as the "Fever" Hospital for Mersey side was just over the way.
But the "Real" one seems to be either covered over or Rubbed out,
but all the ground around the base of the hill we were standing
on seems a good 6ft higher than days gone by, like the spoil
from the new housing estate has been used to cover / bury
over things from the past.
There could how ever be an entrance to the left of the main gate
but we couldn't get to it as we were running out of time.
Number 2 shows where that entrance may be??
In the rock faces, facing towards the path behind the gate.
Purley speculation as we dont know what's happended to the
building. Number 1 shows where you used to be able to have
a drink from a lions head, but its been broken and gone.
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#170908 - 6th Sep 2007 6:42pm
Re: Bidston Diphtheria Rooms of the Dead
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SoundLad
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There was a hostpital called St James hostpital i think it was for skin disorders the Play Ground on tollymache road is the site wonder if theres any basements or sub basements in there and wonder if theres any link to this... 
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#170923 - 6th Sep 2007 6:56pm
Re: Bidston Diphtheria Rooms of the Dead
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SoundLad
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They the houses near tollymache road mark ?? (3 + 4) ???
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#193291 - 12th Jan 2008 9:17am
Re: Bidston Diphtheria Rooms of the Dead
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jonno40
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we actually got through a fence inside the cem,there are enough jemmied holes ,im a big lad so some of them were a bit of a squeeze,lol,but thats what i take the wife for ,where i cant go she can... do you think that this was the main purpose of the road/path or may be it was the possible bricked entrance further down the path.and are they all linked to the infectious disease hospital.there seems to be confusion where the hosp actually used to be ,some records mention Flaybrick road and some mention tollemache rd so my natural reasoning is the corner of both, which would tie in with all that we think was up there and the locations in proximity to the cem ..
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#211794 - 25th Feb 2008 3:46pm
Re: Bidston Diphtheria Rooms of the Dead
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paranoidballoon
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ST James Hospital was a STD hospital I used to go to Tolly school and never saw anybody go in or out of the place.I bet nobody will come on, who did go there with a rash
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#217358 - 17th Mar 2008 9:48pm
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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WADDI
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an oldish fella in work told me about tunnels that lead from st james hospital to st james church. they were used by the diseased to go to church to pray.
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#217377 - 17th Mar 2008 11:18pm
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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SoundLad
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Id love to see the st James church's basement.. cause the church is in such a strange location..
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#217378 - 17th Mar 2008 11:19pm
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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MattLFC
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Hmmm I wonder if the tunnels still exist, as they would be pretty long??
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#217564 - 18th Mar 2008 9:22pm
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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WADDI
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sorry, my bad, apparantly the tunnels ran from St James Hospital to St Caths Hospital.
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#217568 - 18th Mar 2008 9:53pm
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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WADDI
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Thats what I thought, the church to the hospital, maybe, but from one hospital to the other, Im just going to find the salt and take a pinch of it.
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#217570 - 18th Mar 2008 10:01pm
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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nissan_kyle
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i was told last year there were tunnels under the park but have since been filled in i have marked were the entrance would of been but you carnt really make out were it is maybe these were all connected!!!
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#217573 - 18th Mar 2008 10:11pm
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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WADDI
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aye Kyle, I remember this. two sources giving info about a tunnel, must be something in it.
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#217590 - 19th Mar 2008 6:18am
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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Lukeo25
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bloody long tunnel from st james to st caths in tranmere
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#217592 - 19th Mar 2008 7:47am
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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#224268 - 1st May 2008 8:59pm
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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PhilH
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I used to work in St Caths Maint Dept. I have never heard of or looked for any tunnel to the church but I can tell you the interlinking tunnels between buildings are interesting. Small victorian brick in design and more of them than you would imagine plus one of the attics is most definatly haunted... you can feel the change in atmosphere every time you enter it.It was part of the old workhouse.
The tunnels are quite cramped in places...not to the point of crawling but down to 3 to 4ft.......plenty of cockroaches too in the tunnels with the heating pipes in!
I will pay a visit next week and say hello to a few old workmates and see if an exploration could be arranged for a few for a history project?
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#224270 - 1st May 2008 9:15pm
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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PhilH
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#224277 - 1st May 2008 10:12pm
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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jonno40
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Tunnels,did some one say Tunnels
Nice one phil ,keep us updated I personally would love a wander round st caths 
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#224354 - 2nd May 2008 8:49am
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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Lukeo25
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i used to live near st caths just up the road from my house
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#224387 - 2nd May 2008 10:42am
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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More info on the workhouse which is know St Caths
Click here 
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#231191 - 25th May 2008 11:13am
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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Due to the effects of vandalism the cellars from the original the title of this topic have now been exposed. Below are some photos of the inside as you will see contrary to myth and rumour they don't go anywhere and are just a series of unconnected rooms so unfortunately there isn't much to see or report on.
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#231424 - 26th May 2008 4:23am
Re: Fever Hospital : The Cellars
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MattLFC
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Nice one! Shame it ent tunnels though.
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