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Posted By: pablo42 Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 1:17pm

I've got this down as Vittoria Dock. I'm unsure. I remember the footbridge over the level crossing, but don't know me docks

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Posted By: pablo42 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 1:21pm

Another of Birkenhead docks

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Posted By: bazzoh Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 1:27pm
In the background of the top picture, Is that not the overhead railway?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 1:29pm
Wrong side of the river pablo. The first pic. shows a station on the Overhead. Not sure which one - yet. The proximity of the Anglican Cathedral helps too.

The second one is also of a L'pool dock. You can just make out an Overhead train to the right of the dockside warehouse.

Posted By: pablo42 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 1:32pm
Ha, gonna have to get me eyes seen to. Got bloody thousands of photos of the bloody Overhead too.

I blame the cleaners for moving stuff around...

Well spotted guys
Posted By: granny Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 1:35pm
Could it have been Brunswick, Pinz?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 2:27pm
Could well be Granny, although the angle of the dock in relation to the Cathedral is a bit "iffy" for Brunswick. The only station building I've found with the two "peaks" at the stairheads is Canning. Anglewise, that's not 100% convincing either!

A couple of more books to trawl through. Not going to be beaten by this..... sherlock
Posted By: granny Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 2:53pm
Yes, you're probably right Pinz. On second thoughts, Brunswick may have not been so close to the Cathedral.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 3:22pm
A more accurate lining up of the dock/Catherdral angle seems to home in on Wapping - which was the station between Brunswick and Canning. I think we were both out on that one Granny. ha.ha.

I can't find any exterior shots of Wapping Station. It was blatted in the war and rebuilt in a basic utilitarian style. Sooooooooo dating the shot has to be fed in the mixer as well!

Can anyone put a date on the Coaster (?) in the dock? Or maybe the length of the North wing of the Catherdral (still under construction) would give a rough date?

My brain hurts!
Posted By: granny Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 3:53pm
Just been having a little read. How about Coburg or Dukes docks?

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Posted By: granny Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 4:33pm
Top picture. What is the tall building rising above in the top left hand corner, does anyone know? Could it be James Street station?

My money is on Dukes Dock.

"Built to promote Liverpools inland trade. For bulk cargoes travelling landwards from the seaport there was provision for barges and flats".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 4:54pm
Well spotted Granny. I'm sure that IS the hydraulic tower that was at James St. Station (Mersey Rlwy.) before it was bombed. Ctrl and + shows it up a treat.

So is the station in the photo James St. (LOR) ??

More map shuffling required - later!
Posted By: granny Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 10th Jul 2012 6:30pm
Wapping! Because so far as I can see the overhead railway went straight along the main street called Wapping.(still is)Didn't seem to have a station at Dukes Dock. There was a Custom House Staton, but I think that may have been too close to Salthouse.

This is beginning to annoy me now.. Going out!

http://www.liverpoolwiki.org/Liverpool's_destroyed_landmarks

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 9:23am
The LOR stations from Pier Head going south were Pier Head, James St., Canning, Wapping, Brunswick etc. You are quite right Granny, there was a Custom House Station. It was renamed Canning in 1940 after Custom House Building was destroyed.

Have been shuffling a 1:10,000 map of the docks and a 1940's 1" to mile OS sheet around. On my 2nd bottle of Librium and not 100% sure of anything anymore.....................

It's all your fault Pablo !!!!

Over to you Granny. Your investigative skills seem well honed ! grin
Posted By: bert1 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 9:49am
My best bet would be Canning,

5p each way,


http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/research/mappingmemory/map.html
Posted By: pablo42 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 9:57am
That tower looks like the Sailors Home in Canning Place
Posted By: bert1 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 10:08am
It certainly does Pablo

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 10:23am
Yup. Agreed Pablo/Bert. I swallowed a whole Red Herring!

http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/tag/mann-island/

Back behind the woodwork.
Posted By: pablo42 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 10:35am
The building on the left is the old Sailors Home in Canning Place
Posted By: pablo42 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 10:36am

Here's an old picture of it

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Posted By: pablo42 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 10:37am
Ha, sorry, I was a bit behind there. That'll teach me to talk on the phone and try to operate computers...
Posted By: pablo42 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 10:57am

This looks a lot like the Overhead Station, but it's too far north I'd guess

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Posted By: granny Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 11:04am
Still working on this. The Anglican Cathedral Lady Chapel was the first to be completed in 1910. The tower was finished by 1942.
The station looks pretty clean in comparison to some of the other stations on the same line, which is odd.The buildings on the left hand side of one of the pics, showing above the docks don't look like warehouses to me(maybe wrong) and they seem to be positioned as if they are on the opposite side of the road and continuing up a side road, with Wapping station being on a slight bend.The panoramic view including the possible hydraulic tower of James Street Station and the Cathedral somehow seem to be squashed in but looking at old maps ,can sometimes get confusing with dimenssions.
Can anyone add or take away anything here?
Posted By: pablo42 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 11:08am

This is the old Cutom House station on the Overhead. Later it's name changed to Canning Station. This should be the one in the photo

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Posted By: bert1 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 11:09am
Canning link, if it helps.


http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/c/canning/index.shtml
Posted By: granny Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 11:16am
If it was Canning Dock, wouldn't we be able to see the Custom House? Maybe it had gone by the time this pic was taken, not sure.

Bert your link says Customs House was bombed in 1940. We have Cathedral tower completed by 1942 but also from Canning I don't think a view of the Catheral and station would have been possible with such close proximity to James Street.Just guessing, I guess.
Posted By: pablo42 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 11:36am
The Custom House came down after the war. It was bombed, but only superficial damage. I think it would have gone by the time of the photo Granny
Posted By: granny Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 9:09pm
Could be right Pablo. Hasn't anyone got a copy of the Overhead Railway DVD....? That could probably throw a bit more light on the subject.
Posted By: davew3 Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 9:32pm
Thought St Georges Dock was where the Liver Building is , the church behind is ST Nicks, the tower is James Strasse station ,the buildings in front is the Goree.
Posted By: granny Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 11th Jul 2012 10:27pm
Hats off to you Pablo and Bert. Sailors home Canning place, I can see it now and the angle from Canning Dock to incorporate the Cathedral. Got maps all over the place. On my knee,on my head, on the floor.

Bert should have put 10d to win.

Think my best idea is to join Pinz back behind the woodwork.
Posted By: marty99fred Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 12th Jul 2012 10:35am
The first couple of photos show the south-east corner of Canning Dock, photographed from either side of the entrance from Canning Half-Tide Basin; the curved quayside in the foreground of the second pic is the area next to the Pumphouse. The photos probably date from the early 50s, following the dismantling of the upper floors of the Customs House, which I think took place in 1947-8. (The basement walls were left in place for many years and the site was used as a car park during the 1950s.)

The third photo shows the north-east corner of George's Dock prior to the dock being drained and the construction of the Liver Building. The Overhead station visible is Pier Head Station; the tower to the right of St Nick's Church was known as the Telegraph Tower, and was part of the 19th-century Tower Buildings that preceded the current one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Liverpool Canning Dock - 12th Jul 2012 10:49am
Thanks marty. That sounds pretty definitive. Just been looking at a plan of the docks and the curved dock walls tally up. Phew !


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