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Posted By: MissGuided St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 30th Oct 2008 2:07pm
Goodbye hospital, goodbye workhouse, goodbye history
Do you remember this 'public consultation'?
http://www.wirralpct.nhs.uk/document_uploads/Have_your_say/3839-PDF3.pdf

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ - Check out the Birkenhead Workhouse page - this is all you'll be able to see of it one day - photographs.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 30th Oct 2008 8:05pm
What is the meaning of this post?
Are you insinuating that this building is to be knocked down to make way for overpriced riff raff dolls houses? think
Posted By: Morseman Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 30th Oct 2008 10:01pm
Sorry but like a lot of these things if it isn't in hard copy I cant really study them.

Public consultations are nothing of the sort. You get something through the letter box which says things like "do you want to be happy, yes or no?" Well of course you put yes. "Would you like to pay less Council tax, yes or no?" Of course yes is the right answer. In other words these "public consultations" are just a lot of loaded questions and the first thing these quangos come out with when they make cuts is "Oh the public said they wanted this". It's an old trick but people still fall for it.

I think personally that the people of Wirral want to start questioning this unelected body known as the PCT. They appear to be a law unto themselves and spend our money on stupid things such as the recent blue card thing were they tried to get us to sign up to giving our personal details to American health companies. Then there was the other "public consultation that only 3% of the people bothered to fill in. That cost hundreds of thousands of our money. I certainly never completed the form as once again it was a loaded questionnaire. They are also trying to build a super clinic on Thingwall corner despite massive public opposition. Not only that but they want to steal a piece of our park to do so.

They will continue to do this as long as Wirral people remain apathetic. You have been warned!

Rant over.


Posted By: MattLFC Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 31st Oct 2008 2:00am
I found that rant rather interesting Morseman, cheers for posting!!
Posted By: MissGuided Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 31st Oct 2008 9:49am
ok - this is the gist of it. a consultation was done (july - september) - i think only a group of doctor's surgeries were involved as they will move to the new clinic - let's call it a polyclinic - that's what it will be. Devaney, Victoria Park and another can't remember, will be moved if it goes to plan for the PCT. so basically these unelected representatives are making the decision to knock down the main building (previously the Birkenhead Workhouse), as well as the other old buildings on the land. All that will be left is the new bit they did, plus a new building they are calling a 'community hospital', which will stand where the big car park currently is (near St Cath's church). The land where the workhouse stood will be the car park - ain't that grand?
I am unsure how this can happen as surely the building is listed? Does anyone know how you check a buildings status for listing?
Posted By: MissGuided Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 31st Oct 2008 9:53am
Here's the council's listed building register:

http://www.wirral.gov.uk/LGCL/nocontent.asp?lgcl=100006/200023/514

surprise surprise!
Posted By: MissGuided Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 31st Oct 2008 10:00am
http://www.heritagegateway.org.uk/Gateway/Results_Application.aspx?resourceID=5&index=1

Listed building of Birkenhead
Posted By: uptoncx Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 31st Oct 2008 12:17pm

The Hospial ISN'T listed, only the church. You can nominate a building to be listed (you don't need to be the buildings owner to do this), the form for doing this is here and the guidance notes for filling in the form are here.

Pevsner in the Buildings of England describes the Hospital as follows:

The part which is the former workhouse has a central entrance block with tower and short rectangular spire, 1862-3 by Thomas Leyland. The wings on either side have since been raised in height. The other symmetrical block, with a prominent central feature, further north, was the Union School, 1868.

Posted By: dingle Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 3rd Nov 2008 1:53am
Hi guys, I went to the Heritage site but I could not list it as there are UK phone numbers and I am not able to access them from Aus. So it is up to one of you enterprising young lads/girls to do the good deed. I say Go For It. thumbsup
Posted By: dingle Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 3rd Nov 2008 1:56am
By the way I served my time at the Birkenhead Council depot at the back in Derby Rd early to late sixties, we had no horses for our carts just us appretices. The hill up Derby were it meets Church was a killer. I see that the depot has gone now with houses all around now.
Posted By: MissGuided Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 3rd Nov 2008 9:11am
My mum and dad did their nurse training there in the 60s.

My dad would like some pics before they knock it down - if anyone could oblige. He's not well enough to go there himself.
Posted By: chriskay Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 3rd Nov 2008 9:49am
Originally Posted by mindplayer
The hill up Derby were it meets Church was a killer.


I know where you mean, but it meets Elm, Greenway & North roads, not Church.
BTW, Derby Rd. was previously called Yolk of Egg lane, but I've no idea why; anybody know?
Posted By: MissGuided Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 3rd Nov 2008 10:03am
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CHESHIRE/2006-05/1148914529
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/2998286615_173a840d14_o.jpg
Posted By: chriskay Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 3rd Nov 2008 11:27am
Thanks for that, MissGuided.
Posted By: dingle Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 9th Nov 2008 11:28pm
Thanks Chris, I just Google Mapped that particular area and saw what you were saying. I must be getting old because I am sure there was a steep hill at the western side of the hospital. But then further checking the maps a lot of things have changed every where.
Thanks for that MissGuided, Egg Yolk eh most interesting. think
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 10th Nov 2008 1:36pm
U.E
Posted By: chriskay Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 10th Nov 2008 2:31pm
Originally Posted by mindplayer
Thanks Chris, I just Google Mapped that particular area and saw what you were saying. I must be getting old because I am sure there was a steep hill at the western side of the hospital.


Your mind isn't playing tricks; the bit of Derby Rd. on the West side of St. Cath's hospital does indeed rise quite steeply to the junction of North/Elm/Greenway roads.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 10th Nov 2008 6:17pm
Originally Posted by MissGuided
My mum and dad did their nurse training there in the 60s.

My dad would like some pics before they knock it down - if anyone could oblige. He's not well enough to go there himself.


happy Give us the postcode and we will do it for you smile
Posted By: MissGuided Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 10th Nov 2008 9:14pm
Well its the main building Ste which is on Church Rd - the workhouse bit, and the old buildings to the left that you can see from the top of North Rd.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 10th Nov 2008 9:45pm
ok, do it at the weekend wink
Posted By: oxtontranmere Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 25th Nov 2008 3:51am
i was born in st caths, and my parents have lived next to it for years. we were told that they are gonna build where the car park is now and knock the rest down apart from the church, the area knocked will be the new car park.
Posted By: DavidB Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 26th Nov 2008 2:09am
Originally Posted by Morseman
Sorry but like a lot of these things if it isn't in hard copy I cant really study them.

Public consultations are nothing of the sort. You get something through the letter box which says things like "do you want to be happy, yes or no?" Well of course you put yes. "Would you like to pay less Council tax, yes or no?" Of course yes is the right answer. In other words these "public consultations" are just a lot of loaded questions and the first thing these quangos come out with when they make cuts is "Oh the public said they wanted this". It's an old trick but people still fall for it.

I think personally that the people of Wirral want to start questioning this unelected body known as the PCT. They appear to be a law unto themselves and spend our money on stupid things such as the recent blue card thing were they tried to get us to sign up to giving our personal details to American health companies. Then there was the other "public consultation that only 3% of the people bothered to fill in. That cost hundreds of thousands of our money. I certainly never completed the form as once again it was a loaded questionnaire. They are also trying to build a super clinic on Thingwall corner despite massive public opposition. Not only that but they want to steal a piece of our park to do so.

They will continue to do this as long as Wirral people remain apathetic. You have been warned!

Rant over.




If anything good comes out of this alleged 'recession', it's most of the quangos will thankfully disappear. They're one of those things that just appeared when no-one was looking.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 26th Nov 2008 8:23pm
Ay whens it going? I am going there on the 8th January for an Echocardiogram.

Just hoping the roof don't cave in on me or summit, if the builders are already in by then...
Posted By: hoseman Re: St Catherines Hospital - goodbye - 26th Nov 2008 9:12pm
Cant knock St Caths down. fooking local landmark!!
Know the place inside out, my dad (RIP) Used to be the head engineer onsite, spent many a happy hour in the boiler room and wards!!
Too big, THEY cant do it!!! somad
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