Ok, now there is some incident on the New Ferry bypass in the Birkenhead direction, two cars, doesn't look serious, but you don't need to stare at it and cause yourself to veer over into the OTHER lane as you pass, almost knocking me into the bushes at 50 miles an hour on my bike!!

So then lovely drivers of Wirral, just as you come up to MacDonalds in the Bromborough area on the A41, there are sirens everywhere. YES the police need to get where they are going BUT FFS IF YOU ARE GOING TO PULL INTO MY LANE TO LET THEM PAST
INDICATE!!!!!!!!

The police don't want to have to deal with MORE incidences because you are careless when getting out of their way. Just think, and look what is around you and indicate and they will be pleased that you moved out of their way safely!!

I have you will be happy to know, now arrived at work safely but I am in tears and shaking and hate you all!!! (apart from anyone nice of course)

Hi sallybear, you don`t seem to have much luck with bikes do you?

1st the incident with the scummy kids trying to chase you off it (they tried this with me a couple of weeks ago in my car and i slammed on which resulted in 2 of the little cnuts going head 1st into the back of my car HAHA)

Then your bike got stolen from outside your home and now you get abuse off the traffic.

May i suggest you get a car?

Poor Sallybear I do hope you have cheered up a bit by now.

My grandson was driving slowly down a narrow back road in Egremont when a nasty little soandso screamed out of a side street and deliberately hit the car. The mother's sorted it out as apparently the cyclist had done this before, the intention being to make a claim against the driver. My grandson still reported the incident to his insurers but made no claim for the damage which he paid for himself - this resulted in an £100 increase on renewal. It leaves a bitter taste.

Similar experience this morning down The Strand, skip truck driver must've been following his satnav and not using mirrors as pulled straight out into my lane. As tho I ain't bright enough with the hiviz, lights etc! Luckily outside lane was clear so was able to avoid getting squished.

Be careful out there Sally & everyone else regardless of how you commute!

It's the same with motorbikes, I've had drivers deliberately move over to close the gap when traffic stationary.

It happened once in Birmingham M5 / M6 intersection, traffic had been sat for a while so I'm keeping a straight line between two lanes, plenty of room and then a brand new BMW, the driver MUST have seen me, for no reason uses the little space he has to move over to the car next to him.

Now I've no idea how much wing mirrors are on these as I'm reasonably sure the one he used to have affixed to his passenger side wasn't much use afterwards, but as he didn't pull onto the hard shoulder to apologise I considered that he'd accepted it was his fault and after thanking Kevlar for not feeling a thing I carried on.

Sorry but if you are going to ride a bicycle or a motorbike then you have to expect and be prepared for these kind of things.

This is nothing new it has always been this way and it will never change. 99.9% of Car drivers have zero consideration for anyone else on the road let alone people on bikes that they treat as if they are invisible.

If you are going to survive for long on any kind of bike, you cannot rely upon ANYONE else but yourself for your own survival. It is slim consolation that it was the car or truck driver's fault if you are killed - it doesn't make you any less dead!

All I can say is that it's a good job bikers always drive with great care and consideration otherwise it would be carnage out there.

Hope you're ok Sal.

Well said Sally ,there are loads on the roads like that ,you put it so well you made me laugh June

Your large red font in capitals will surely make the people of Wirral better drivers.

You're expressing anger at fellow road users over the internet and I really don't see what result you could possibly achieve by doing this. Nor do I think the members of WikiWirral will appreciate being told you hate them, especially the ones who have never seen you around, or even use the roads, OR BOTH!

Have a nice day, and stay safe on your bike.

Thanks Bench but I don't think you quite got the sarcasm or humour of my post, it was nothing directed personally at the drivers JUST from Wiki Wirral. I just thought you lot here, as most of you have, would not mind me venting my anger and sharing in my experience.

I ride one of these:



And NO I don't think that riding a motorcycle or a cycle should make you expect this sort of behaviour as CVCVCV has put it. I think that riding a bike actually makes you a fantastically better road user. When I used to drive my Nissan Micra, I felt less aware of the traffic around me, and I prefer to ride my bike no matter what the weather (except when its snowing) and I find other road users have been responsible for so many poor driving decisions which could have potentially affected me or other road users around me.

Lane discipline is practically unheard of around corners on my journey to work, and this mornings behaviour of the drivers involved was just plain dangerous. As it happens the second incident was a Hazmat team racing to a chemical spill, where someone was injured, it was important that they got through quickly, but ALL road users need to be safe when the flashing blue lights approach.

Anyway cheers for the positive messages, I am fine now. But in the 7 years on the road, and 4 of them spent going back and forth to Wrexham every day, I have never seen such dangerous roads as in my ten minute journey to Bromborough every day.

If my post made just one person think twice next time some police are approaching, then hopefully I may have helped someone. It helped me to get it off my chest. If my 'red' writing has offended anyone, then sorry.

I could say the same thing.

Thats incorrect CV as i look out for bikers, i used to ride a bike everywhere until i got into cars so i know whats it`s like.

I have a lot of consideration for bikers and so do quite a few people i know.

Sorry to hear of the incidents you've had Sally. Like in most areas of life, a lot of people either don't give a rat's ar*e about anyone else OR are totally unaware of what's happening around them.

Most drivers think they are "good" drivers. Well, they ain't !!
90% are mediocre or worse. IF you are a good driver, you will take a pride in how you control your vehicle and be aware of what's happening ALL around you ... and no, that doesn't mean being overtaken by the Vicar on his bicycle or pretending to be in a funeral cortege either!

Hands up how many wiki drivers have passed an IAM or ROSPA test ?
I personally know of 2 on here. Anymore ?

I'm not holding my breath on this one.

Like Ste i've ridden bikes in the past & I Always pull over towards kerbs to let the d*ckheads past on the outside when they don't want to wait in traffic like the rest of us.

I always check mirrors and blindspots especially as some clowns like to hang around in blind spots.

If you going to ride a bike expect the worst imo, Anticipate idiots pullling out in front of you at junctions, anticipate lane changes with no indication its just a fact of driving on the roads,

I feel sorry for those bikers that do apply sense and come unstuck but those popping wheelies at 100mph across junctions past cars full of kids deserve a tank slapper or two.

I'm not convinced the ROSPA or IAM would make them a better driver Pinz

When i worked doing RYA level 2 instruction on SKi;s and power boats there were a number of unliscened jet skiiers who were a dam lot safer than some of the scallies that paid 200 quid sat a half day test, passed came back next week and stuffed it into the weaver bridge support coloumn (happened on more than on e occasion)

You maybe more suprised to here i trained a few coppers for merseyside police on how to safely use Jetski's, dock, emergency stops J turns etc, spent half a day with them and leant four of them spanking new GP1300 Yammys. Completed the test and left them to play for half an hour i had literally walked up the jetti and was on my way back to the shop at the top of bridge lane to here a massive smash, two had gone head to head chicken and went head on to each other causing around 14k's worth of damage, nice to know these tools will be the ones picking up the drunks out of albert dock on a saturday night.

You really would be suprised, that little piece of card / paper means very little inmho

OK, I'm one of them. I first passed IAM in 1970, which of course means little. I prefer RoSPA which you have to re-take every three years, which I've now done four times. More importantly than either of them, I've passed the 2 1/2 day course for membership of the High Performance Club.
I do try to be aware of what's happening all around me at all times; even so, I realise it's always possible to miss something, and you just have to hope that it's nothing vital.

Hats off Chris, high performance one sounds interesting ?

Yes, the HPC is a lot of fun. The course is very demanding: done in your own car, two days road driving and half a day on a track learning about limit handling. If you satisfy your instructor, you can join the club. It has its own insurance policy which allows you to drive another member's car, fully comp. This is fun because there's some pretty exotic machinery in the club; probably more Porsches than any other make. There's even a McLaren F1. Had a couple of fun trips to the Nürburgring and quite a few other great driving trips.

Quality Chris, bet the F1

OK, make it 90-something% then...! LOL (I've been told a zillion times, not to exaggerate...!)

Not sure what happened there Chris, bet the F1 is a scream mate been in a few gallardo's etc but nothing has a take off like a db9s, spin up into 3rd gear, power is immense

Would love a go in an new mp4 12c, cracking looking motor

IAM trained and qualified

Haha bikers can talk, the way they weave through traffic (stationary and moving) as though everyone should instantly move out of their way because they're on a bike, cutting people up left right and centre etc...

You see, bikers don't like it when people make blanket statements, but there is a hell of a LOT of bikers who don't give a flying fook about the roads around them, the difference being they "are" more alert, but they "choose" to put themselves in stupid situations, by doing wreckless/cheeky manoeuvres etc...

Tbh, the standard of driving from both car and motorbike drivers these days, is to be blunt, appalling, especially during the rush hour, I just don't understand why they don't set off 3 minutes or 5 minutes earlier, instead of having to race and cut everyone up to make it to work on time. I set off for work 10 minutes earlier than I have to, and have never been late. It's no chore to me, it's better to be a bit early than to be late and die trying imho.

So regardless of age, gender, vehicle etc, everyone should drive more safely, but it won't happen. If it's not arsehole chavs who want to race everyone, it's ditzy women with their minds on other things, if it's not pensioners pulling out of junctions without noticing there is traffic and then proceeding at a Sunday church-run pace, it's white-van drivers just cutting everyone up blah blah blah... I was on the A41 a few days ago up by Christleton about 07:00 and my god, a bin lorry pulled over and a fecking bus/coach (I kid you not) pulled out into oncomng traffic (who were doing 50mph) to overtake him. Then all the cheeky barstard behind him followed like a snake, meanwhile the flood of traffic with the right of way, had to do an emergency stop pretty much and wait for all the cheeky barstard to clear!!

Then you have the arseholes who frequent the likes of Mount Road etc, shit themselves if the speedo hits 40, so when it's busy your stuck behind them doing pathetic speeds, and as soon as it hits a 30 limit/built-up area etc, they continue doing 40 and gradually fly away from ya, wtf!!!

Personally, I always try to move closer to the kerb to let bikes overtake, and keep an eye on mirrors at lights etc, as your supposed to do lets face it, but this notion that bikers are somehow saints and cars are all ..., is out of order; bikers doing 100+ down the Welsh Road, across the lights at Two Mills, even though they should know full-well the timing of those lights is pathetic to say the least, are hardly saints.

Drivers need a reality check, is it really worth risking yours and other peoples lives just to save 2 seconds? And I'm sorry, but all the training in the world will not help you, if you refuse to apply common sense/consider the safety of yourself and others.

Whoa there, not what I was saying and neither was anyone else.

There are just as many idiot drivers out there as there are idiot bikers. The difference is, on a bike you are dead in a small incident that a car would come off with just a scratch.

I personally think everyone who drives, should ride for a bit it would make them a much better driver.

As for ditzy women, there are just as many ignorant men, would you like me to tell you just how many people I see just on my short journey to work everyday, mostly men in vans by the way, on their phones while taking corners at speed???????

Yes old people do seem to drive slow and dangerous sometimes, this is why we all need to be aware!!

I have a bad incident and I wanted to just remind people that there are genuine normal people out there on bikes/scooters whatever who are just mums or dads on their way to work, not boy racers, and not doing anything dangerous and just look out for bikes, because about 75% of bike incidents are caused by people not looking, hence the campaigns to raise awareness of this.

And this being the reason I will never ride a motorbike. Bikes just offer no protection from the total idiots on the road.

see i made a similar thread about people with more pricey cars driving like ar*eholes where cyclists are concerned but all i got was a load of abuse from drivers.

https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/670799/indicators.html#Post670799 <- link

Probably because it was verbal diarrhea

Bloody nuisance pensioners driving at the speed limit, what barstewards they are.

Me neither. No way. Especially after seeing a very dead biker lying on lane 3 of the m53 one morning back in january. It has made me look out more for the suicidal few that still ride them though.

I find a lot of car drivers push past learners on scooters and small bikes but don't do it if its a big bike just like this clip youtube Just watch it and see who you think was in the wrong Mr Jag man or the Scooter rider

To be honest I've only ever had this happen when traffic isn't moving, or is very slowly crawling. And I have no problem with this. I'd call it a perk of motorcycling. Lets face it, they don't have many.

But all it takes is a few arrogant swines and the biker thinks "Sod it, I'll go back to a car", so there's yet another car on the road and congestion increases.

At the end of the day car drivers pay tax, bikers do now maybe they should get the bus or train instead before they start complaining?

Lots of mistakes there.

Car drivers do not "pay tax".

Car drivers pay "Vehicle excise duty". This duty is a sliding scale depending on the emissions a car gives off.

Some cars pay £20 a year "road tax", some pay nothing. The new Nissan Micra pays no "road tax". Does this mean they have less rights on the road than someone with a gas guzzling 4x4?

The thread is about MOTORbikes. They also pay "road tax".

Gibbo ignore, that's a banned member.