Wile walking 7 miles + came across this would like to know if anyone has any info/history on this?
Thanks T.C.
and if anyone knows what the writing says
Yeah, can't make out the writing either.
Can't see anything on the first picture, but on the second picture, it looks like the word 'REST'.
My eyes are rubbish at the moment, so that may be wrong. It's better make your own judgement.
Why would the centre stone be a different colour, as if it denotes something?
Could it be roadside shrine?
after showng my mother she thinks it was a stop off for travellers to drink water and they often used to have slogans on them like "rest then go" which would fit in, i wonder how old it is
Don't hole me to it but I think its a rest stop for horses to drink ...
As we don't really know how big/small this is, it's difficult to say. From appearance,I originally thought of a drinking vessel for dogs, but thought a horse would need a rather larger amount, plus it does not seem to be an ideal position for a horse to get it's head and neck into.
Don't hole me to it but I think its a rest stop for horses to drink ...
that was my first thought when i seen it, maybe it used to have a trough.
new pic on way so you get the scale granny
You're right Granny. A horse trough would be much bigger and it would be right alongside the kerb, so Dobbin could slurp away without leaving the road. I can remember the big granite (?) horse trough at the top of Singleton Ave. outside the Manweb sub-station. It got the chop in the early 1960's I think.
Someone from a local history society may throw some light on the Thornton Hough picture?
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Re. horse troughs. There used to be a fine granite one in Craven Arms, engraved with the words "Be kind and merciful to all animals"... It had been filled with concrete.
Rocks, that picture shows it to be larger than I imagined. Even so, if it was a 'travellers rest' would it not have somewhere for a small seat,bench or stone slab for folk to sit on? Not very deep for that. It also looks as if anyone having a drink from it, should it be a water hole, would have had to bend double to get to it. The other thing is,after seeing the arched perimeter wall it would appear to have been built into the wall originally.
Pinz, it is a shame all those bits of history were taken away. They do give us a reminder of our heritage, and all we seem to enjoy most is, e.g. a trip to a museum, heritage centre or a quaint little village, when we get the chance. Trying to get the flavour back of what we must still have a yearning for. Maybe the quiet,rural life.
granny at first i thought it was some kind of bus stop but then i pretended to sit as if a bench was there and i would have banged my head and also realised it wouldnt give much shelter as its not deep enough, it looks like it was built the same time as the wall and there are also dates and names etched on the inner sides (graffiti of it day) iv also tried to look for history sites for the area but the walls not mentioned anywhere!!
I thought a bench too Rocks. Remember people were smaller generations ago.
Where abouts in Thornton Hough, is it Thornton Grange? There used to be a monastic settlement there attached to Raby. Could it have been an old fireplace on the remains of the monastry wall, and saved for posterity? Someone, would have done the inscriptions much later.
Just a thought, but I could be getting carried away.
They weren't that tiny Rude!
Similar.... probably larger
First picture Llantony Abbey, fireplace from monastic ruin.
Second picture look on the right. Don't know what they are tho'.
hmm but why bother to make the arch sticking up on the wall when they could have made it straight? and do bee walls have writing on them? interesting clicky tho
Where abouts in Thornton Hough, is it Thornton Grange? There used to be a monastic settlement there attached to Raby. Could it have been an old fireplace on the remains of the monastry wall, and saved for posterity? Someone, would have done the inscriptions much later.
Just a thought, but I could be getting carried away.
They weren't that tiny Rude!
its on Manor Rd
http://goo.gl/maps/8nGGE around here
possibly a place to stand milk churns for collection or drop off. Or looks like it might have once been an arched entrance gate and has been lowered and blocked off.
The property its on might give a clue (churchyard?)
Yes, I know where you mean TC, but it's not Thornton Grange as we now know it. That's the other end.
It's positioned just about where Thornton Hough Village begins,and probably on the route that most visitors would enter the village from, which is also interesting. Common sense would tell us that it is a watering hole for travellers but unless it's been altered, there is no grid or such, for the excess water to flow.
The bee bole looks really interesting and I had never heard of them before.
One other thought with it being at the beginning of the village. As the wall belongs to the Manor, could it have been used to display a sign or floral arrangemnts in troughs as a visual welcome to visitors. I think I have seen those somewhere before, but not sure if it was in UK or abroad.
The sandstone block in the centre, may have filled something in later e.g a tap, for whatever purpose.
the centre stone cant have fill something in at a later date as the writing is across all the stones
Well Rocks, I'm baffled. It looks so simple to identify on first encounter, then all ideas seem to slide into the swamp. Maybe if it was possible to find out when that stretch of the Manor wall was likely to have been built, it may help. Are there any stonemasons out there?
What did all the writing say?
http://www.hidden-teesside.co.uk/2013/01/04/lealholm-1904-drinking-fountain/Is this any help
my mistake on having a look at my pics it looks like the writing may just be on the centre stone (but its hard to tell) and to me it looks like it says REST THAN ON ?????? i can see me going back for another look and taking paper and crayons to do a rub haha
I stopped and had a look at this while passing through Thornton Hough yesterday and I'm afraid I can't add anything to what's already been said. I would say that the main carved word is almost certainly 'Rest', but couldn't make out the words below. I think the explanation that Rocks got from his mother of 'Rest and go' may well be correct, but it's hard to see exactly how the alcove was used. I did take some pictures, but they are no better than those already posted. Like everyone else, I'd love to know the answer to this one.
Played with the image to see if i could work out the lettering and this is the best i came up with after playing.
Description: BPSI
we're going back today to have another look, im also going to try the old paper and crayon technique to see if it reveals more info on the writing and i may ask the locals if i see any
The local Post Office may be a good place to ask, failing that, try asking The Wirral Society.
www.wirralsociety.f9.co.uk
good idea Tatey
Let's hope you get some further information, Rocks. I think the bee bole idea, which I suggested earlier, is probably a non-starter. The International Bee Research Association has a website listing bee boles and I can't find one for Thornton Hough.
Comparing it with pictures of other bee boles, the Thornton Hough wall alcove doesn't look deep enough to have been one and is in the wrong place - most of them are on private, enclosed, premises.
Just one other thought. Could it have been some sort of roadside shrine, like you sometimes see in Ireland and on the Continent?
just got back and i have no new info. my crayon rubbing didnt work as the walls not flat enough, the first word is defo rest and there is an old sign in the village that has a saying Rest in Thornton Hough so it could be the village motto maybe? and we didnt get a chance to go into the post office either but i have the names of all the houses behind the wall so i may find some info by taking that direction. thanks yoller for looking into the bee idea at least we can take that off the list, a shrine is also another possibility.....right time to google
There is a Rest Hill Road in Thornton Hough.
http://www.allertonoak.com/merseyWalks/StoretonThorntonX.htmlIf the wall aperture you have found is at the top or bottom of a hill it may well have contained a trough of water for the horses pulling wagons.
I am not up to speed on what is in or not on the History Forum but found this site which has a lot of interesting information on the whole of Wirral.
http://www.oldwirral.com/thorntonhough.html
my mistake on having a look at my pics it looks like the writing may just be on the centre stone (but its hard to tell) and to me it looks like it says REST THAN ON ?????? i can see me going back for another look and taking paper and crayons to do a rub haha
Could it be REST THEM ON..??
Intersting info Moonstar. When are you doing the walk?
right iv come the conclusion that the word REST is smack bang centre in the stone and the word/words underneath are not in the same style as the word REST so they could also be just graffiti like on the sides stones, so back to the question, for people or animals?
Rest Hill Rd. is actually in Storeton/Higher Bebington and the the aperture isn't near a hill. Good thought though.
What does it look like on the other side - does it look like it's a continuation of the wall or stands out from it
What does it look like on the other side - does it look like it's a continuation of the wall or stands out from it
well derek its a mound of raised earth on the otherside
Walk Granny! My going for walks days are over. :-)
Walk Granny! My going for walks days are over. :-)
N.B I didn't offer to come with you!
@ TC: Burial mound then?