Hi, according to the probate record for my Husband's Great x 2 Grandfather, Thomas Trevena. he lived at 1, The Avenue, Egerton Street, Liscard at the time of his death in 1898

I know of Egerton St in New Brighton but can't find a road called The Avenue.

Can anyone help at all ?

Thanks

Lisa

Maybe not of direct help, but in Gore's Directory 0f 1900, there is a Mrs Elizabeth Trevena resident at No.1 The Avenue, New Brighton. The Avenue is/was off Egerton Street, New Brighton.

Looking at GoogleMap, chunks of ground to the south of Egerton Street look as if "The Avenue" could have been there prior to the redevelopement of the Tower Fairground site. Also some more modern looking houses have been built, possibly on where The Avenue was ?? Sorry, not a great help.

Maybe someone local can chime in on this ?

map 1882 and google
Is it possible that it was the name of the house?
Pinzgauer are there any other numbers in Gores confirming it was an actual avenue with other houses in it?

It was a small cul de sac between Grosvenor road and the Tower grounds. Currently standing there is a block of sheltered homes.

Numbers one to eleven (sandstone built) on the left and two to twelve (brick built) on the right. Think the odd numbers were originally fishermens cottages. From Seymour street, you could look over the wall onto the Avenue and if you were brave could drop down it and shortcut to Egerton street. There was an old chapel on the corner which in later years became a furniture storage place. Jones chippy in Egerton street was right opposite the Avenue.

You are slightly out there Derek with your google map. That was roughly where Victoria cottages were.

There's an Egerton Street or Road in Liscard. It's the first road on the left after Manor Road Health Centre. It may be that one

Here's The Avenue on the 19112 O.S. map. It's not that easy to see, but it's the first turning off Egerton St., parallel to Grosvenor Rd.
Use Ctrl +/- to enlarge/shrink the map.

Going around in circles here. Trust me, I lived there for twenty odd years.

Chris to the rescue !!! Good man !

LisaW. Gores Directory have "Egerton St"., then inserted is "The Avenue" then the numbers of the individual houses. Putting everything together, No.1 wasn't called "The Avenue". It was however located in "The Avenue".

Chris - can you copy, paste, dooferise the page from Gores. I was looking a the copy of your original one ! Pure plagiarism of course.

Thanks for the info. Elizabeth was Thomas' Wife

Thanks

I don't suppose you have any pictures of houses at all?

The Trevena's lived in Seymour Place West in the 1891 census so they didn't move far

Fraid not. It was pedestrianised in modern parlance. No cars allowed where the houses were. Used to be pig styes at the back of the odd numbers. Sadly I can remember them!

Awful grammar in my last post. I half expected someone to post a picture of a random house

I meant to say do you have any photos of the old houses that stood in The Avenue?

Despite all the directions re where The Avenue was, i had to CRTL + to the maximum and still had to squint to find it

Thanks again to you all for the replies

Anything to oblige. The directory also lists the chapel & Victoria Cottages which Helles referred to, but neither is actually named on the map.
Also attached, a larger scale map (or rather, same scale but smaller area).

I remember two young girls who lived in The Avenue, around the sixties. Rhoda Prosser was one and Dorothy Staples the other.I can't remember much more than that.

...if you hold down the Ctrl and F5 key together it usually reloads the page and sharpens up any images. Should make the maps a little easier to see!

Knew them both well. Actually Rhona not Rhoda though. A relative of theirs runs the weigh shop in Liscard road.

sorry, Rhona, its been a long time. I remember her red hair! very nice people

Also interesting to note on that map is the laundry that in later years became the Tick Tock cafe & eventually Grandma's club, before it burned down. Many a misspent Sunday afternoon was spent in Grandma's!

You mean this one Tatey? Note The Avenue a little way down Egerton street.

Someone sent me this so if breaching copyright and you own it then please feel free to remove.

Love the phone number.

French Laundry???

That must be the Eiffel Tower I can see in the background!

Interesting that New Brighton didn't have its own exchange. I guess that would imply that Liscard is older than New Brighton.
By coincidence, for a while in 1963 I rented a place in Berkshire & the phone No. was Twyford 8

I don't know much about the local telephone exchange but, certainly in terms of general history, Liscard is positively ancient compared to New Brighton.

New Brighton was a Victorian development on the coast of Liscard. A lot of Wallasey's early public services were centralised around Liscard Village, including things like the police, fire brigade, and electricity. Perhaps the telephone exchange was just another one of those things.

New Brighton was classed as part of Liscard and could well still be for all I know. New Brighton was nothing until the 19th century when Atherton and his son in law Rowson bought the land from Penkett and built big houses for posh people. Us riff raff came later and I bet he wouldn't have been too pleased. Tough at the top isn't it?

Only a small community of fisherman and workers of the lighthouse and fort residing in the area. (Devils Nest).

Where that new boundary wall is was the part that was bombed in the war. Was a bomb site for many years when I was a kid. The remaining building was a peanut factory after the war with the upper part (i.e. upstairs) being the Tick Tock cafe/restaurant and as stated night clubs later. The Avenue was just behind the large chimney. My house still had a bulge in the front wall from the same bomb.

Thanks again to all for the replies

[quote=Helles]You mean this one Tatey? Note The Avenue a little way down Egerton street.

That's the one!

Took me a while to find the phone number as well

LISA, I HAVE A PHOTO OF THE AVENUE BUT CAN'T SEEM TO UPLOAD IT. IF YOU SEND ME YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS I WILL MAIL IT TO YOU

Would love to see that. email address sent in PM.

Thanks

THE AVENUE

Fabulous Mickey. Thank you very much. Taken from Seymour street and you have my house in full photo. Second up on the right as you look at it. Behind the person is the old chapel and when I was a kid, that street light was gas.

Where did you get it from or is it an old family photo?

Ahh! such a shame to have pulled those houses down!

Thankyou so much for posting the pic.XXX

Thanks Mickey. Really appreciate you uploading this for me. Any idea at all of the year it was taken?

Helles, which house is number 1 ?

I love that someone is stood in the doorway first house on the right looking straight at the camera.

Would this photo have been taken from another house as the view is quite high up?

Number one is the first house to the left of the girl (?) who is holding a child. On the right of the photo as you look at it. First sandstone one. It was taken from Seymour street which was up a higher level but had a large wall to stop one falling over.

Thanks Helles

My brother tells me that this was a newspaper photo from Wallasey News when they were trying to save the place from demolition. Would be early seventies then.

Wonder if I could still get a copy of the article?

They used to keep bound copies of all the original old Wallasey News papers at Earlston Library. Even if they don't have the actual paper now they will have it on microfilm and you can print off any parts of it that you might want.

Thanks

Well the library has all the old newspapers on film and you can copy articles from them for a quid I think? Depends on quality I suppose? Would have to trawl through 73 to roughly 76 approx!

Bit of a coincidence, but I met a lovely girl called Donna yesterday who was born in The Avenue!

Doesn't ring any bells but could have been a child when I left? The more I look at that photo the more I think it is my wife and first born in it. We would have had to have been on leave from the army though and it would be about 1974?

The photo is from an old Wallasey News. Here is the full article -

That's great,thanks for taking the trouble

Thanks Mickey. Recognise Geoff Crook, Mrs Potter, The Vernon family, Eunice Staples.

Thanks Mickey Lovely to read about The Avenue in more detail.

The houses look fine to me. It was strange to read that they were viewed as unfit to live in.

The houses probably were fine, Lisa. By condemming them as unfit the Council would be able to compulsorily purchase them for peanuts. From personal experience I know that the same thing happened about the same time with Pear Tree Grove in Liscard when they were planning the new ring road. Outside WC = unfit for human habitation = don't have to pay the market value. Nothing much changes.

The girl I met was a Potter!

Mickey, do you have a date for that Wallasey News please?

Sorry I don't ... would be about 1972 - 1974

Okay no probs thanks.

Just an add on to this thread

In 1891 Thomas was living at 5 Wright Cottages, Seymour Place East.

Does anyone have a photo of these cottages at all? It looks like Seymour Place East was replaced by the modern houses as it doesn't exist anymore and seems to have been absorbed into Seymour Street.

Thanks

Lisa, tried to pm you but won't allow as you are over the limit or something? Please clear it out or whatever you do and I will try again.

Apols for reviving this thread, but it seemed like the most sensible place to put these pics now that I've found them:

Brilliant thankyou!

Love the little van, someones pride & joy. Stickers & curtains in the windows. Looks like an old Austin A40 perhaps?