In the news today, the police say there are up to 3,000 suspects in the child grooming and child abuse scandal, the former labour government of Tony Blair is accused of playing down criminality and extremism among British Muslims for fear of undermining community cohesion and the fear of riots and that Derby, Oldham and Rochdale are also part of the investigations, lets hope the truth will prevail and that ordinary people can speak out about their concerns without being labelled as bigots and racists.

be careful casper you no who will on in a minute saying its not them they made it up muslims would never do that,yes they would and have for years dirty old goats

Any bets on how long this thread will last before it's expunged? " Je suis Charlie "

These 'current affairs' topics will always be susceptible to being removed because people opinions differ and some get personal. Surely to remove the 'personal insults' only and not the whole topic, is a better option. These topics need to be discussed and opinions vented, otherwise 'gagging' breeds stronger feelings of negative proportions and that's not healthy for anyone.

There are a certain group of people who have no scruples or values with regard to our culture, and that has to be accepted, it's not racial discrimination. The discrimination is towards the children who were sexually abused and the guilty should not be allowed to get away with it, whatever background they come from.


In response to Rotherham, Derby, Oldham, it's amazing that no child or principles with concerns within the child care homes, was ever listened to. The incidents involved and those reported to the police, would seem to have been part of a systematic process of being ignored (or hidden) and there has to be massive repercussions for that alone but for some reason, any subsequent enquiries would appear to be on a 'go slow'. It first came to light in 2010...any who could have played any part in a 'cover-up' will be dead or suffering from dementia and unable to be accountable.

3000 suspects would indicate that it involves the whole country. For that to continue for so long, involving so many including taxi companies and drivers etc. etc. they are all as guilty as each other.

A horrible ,vile crime and if it had involved children from outside the care home system , the response would have been very different. For those children who have already suffered enough, their lives would appear not to be of any importance in our , 'oh so caring society' . We seem to be able to care for just about anyone from any background or culture, apart from our own children.

Pardon me for using the word 'hate' but that is the emotion I feel toward Tony Blair and his stupid, personal principles, that have led to so much trauma and ruined lives for so many. When is he going to be taken to task ?

take a look at private hire & taxi monthly i get it every month from the town hall been getting it for 14 years but you can read online,the amount of rapes in derby and surrounding boroughs is unreal and you guessed it 99.9% are wait for it are Muslims,they think its ok so it must be

Sorry must amend my original post the figure that should have been given is 300 not 3,000 the 3000 pertains to offences against victims

Sadly its nothing new. In Sheffield, there are two things which used to be the topic of discussion - blind eyes turned by traffic wardens to parked cars on double yellow lines in an ethnic area (Fir Vale) and outside mosques.

And there's a public green space in the centre of town called the Peace Gardens (its the site of a bombed church). There were gangs of Eastern Europeans who used to chat up and harass women and girls there. But nothing was ever done. Nowadays that "harassment" would be considered grooming.

These topics were frequently discussed on a website similar to this one for Sheffield, but anyone who dared to criticise was labelled a racist.

Here's the discussion threads, the parking one from 2010, the other from way back in 2005.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=653407

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=44145

Read the reports from Prof Alexis Jay, and instances reported by Risky Business, they make disturbing reading, this abuse was so deep rooted and with the collusion of the authorities who if you read between the lines protected the gangs of abusers and rapists, and as granny said by the time any action is taken the guilty will be either dead or suffering from some form of illness or will have disappeared into their rat holes in Pakistan, these kids were looked on by both the authorities and the abusers as white trash who asked for what they got (talk about discrimination!)and the ruination of their young lives was a price worth paying to keep our Muslim friends happy.

The Oxford grooming sex case went on from the 1990's but it seemed to take years for them to be convicted.

One persons testimony written on the link that was posted by Gibbo, of herself and her children being constantly pestered in a public place, is evidence of different cultural backgrounds. Having visited many Mediterranean countries and a number of North African and Middle Eastern Countries and although it was many years ago, the behaviour was the same. They are like bloody flies, keep pestering and coming back again and again. Strangely enough, never to their own, only white girls.
If the same applied in this country involving white guys, you can guarantee that they would be subject to arrest on grounds of harassment, stalking, pestering, aggravating behaviour or 1 of 100 other reasons.
It's simply not acceptable, and those who follow such behavioural patterns which can be threatening to children, need to be told and no mistake. It's similar to the attitude of the migrants waiting at Calais, and a video watched on Brick Lane (if anyone knows of it), 'we can do anything here' is the message as they piddle up against the walls in broad day light. Another thing that makes me wonder, have all these men abandoned their wives and children back home ? It would appear to be that way.
I would be happier if we could see the faces of the women too, or make it the next fashion point and we can all wear the Niqab as it's not a necessary item for them, just something they are trying to make a statement with. Only very strict Arab countries follow that rule and if those who wear it here are very strict followers, then we should be very worried !

We can't show our faces, but we can show FLESH !

Just going to order a costume from Ebay

With their remarkably unprepossessing physiognomy, perhaps we should be grateful they normally keep themselves covered.

Where are the strong messages from the religious leaders stating categorically that terror has absolutely no place in their religion?

The Pope never excommunicated one member of the IRA.

The Islamic leaders have not sufficiently denounced any terrorist.

Abu Hamza (the hook) made himself heard enough - where is the equivalent effort from the "good" religious leaders? The occasional softly-softly approach without showing total and unequivocal abhorrence - they need to show their disgust!

I would hope if there was a Protestant terrorist uprising then not only would it be strongly denounced but individuals would be named by the leaders as not belonging to the faith in the loudest voice possible.

I think they are too worried about losing their power-base.

I see David Cameron is also making excuses, not all Muslims are terrorists, he is missing the point, he fails to accept in stating the obvious that as a religion the terrorism and violence is being done in the name of that religion and is not being condemned by the moderates who sit back and say yes but that's not proper Islam, so do we have two Muslim faiths?

As Islam does not have one outright leader, yes it has got separate factions and quite a strong independence across different countries.

To me I see that as an advantage as more leaders can speak out independently with an even stronger voice against terrorism.

At the end of the day, we did interfere, if foreign countries were bombing my land without our agreement I would expect us to rise up against them. So contrary to what I said above, why aren't the Protestant leaders spitting teeth at every opportunity when we are attacking other countries.

The very people who are supposed to be looking after the moralistic well being of the human race are not doing their job!

The political leaders are not behaving themselves, the religious leaders are doing virtually nothing, it is almost like they have a pact to encourage terrorism - why would this be?

Good points dd, the government is now saying it is safe to travel to Tunisia although there remains the danger of further attacks, and the Tunisian government has beefed up security ( but not according to people on the ground there) so tourists in other resorts who want to fly home now must pay for the flights themselves, the Tunisians are wringing there hands and saying because of massive unemployment for the young, they have become prime recruits for Isis, and that Europe needs to pour money in to help fund employment, maybe me being cynical but it sounds a little bit like blackmail, as to our government they now appear to be sitting on the fence and appeasing Tunisia by now declaring it safe, but still open to attack.

What I've noticed is that when they do get a Muslim on who says the perps are wrong they then go on to give justification to their actions and blame us for making them feel that way. There's always an excuse at the end and to be honest the condemnation is never all that strong.

The Tunisian authorities have shut down 80 mosques for inciting violence and spreading venom, what do we do here? nothing, come on chaps you know your not allowed to take over schools or mosques, its not the done thing old boy, its very naughty and you must promise nothing will like this will happen again, come on now swear on the Qu'ran muslims honour.

This thread started off about the Rotherham child abuse (I think) and has seemed to cross over with the French Beheading and Tunis massacre opinions. Therefore not really sure if this should be here or there. Anyway, in response to the two above posts, what I find most unusual is that whenever these atrocities happen, the ordinary man in the street decries them, the politicians decry them, all authorities decry them but we never hear a bleat from the Muslim population. surely if they were to stand up, and even acknowledge in public how dreadful these acts are, and give us some bloody support, we could possibly be able to make some headway. I assume they must be forbidden by the Mosques to speak out, and if not why don't they ?
Of course, I don't have a degree in Cultural Awareness, so probably not a valid point.
Although my cultural awareness does include not agreeing with arranged marriages, genital mutilation, that illness is due to sin, that a woman has to hide herself all in black. Because they don't agree with paying interest, they can get Islamic mortgages on the high street, to buy houses and cars , I don't agree with dead bodies being wrapped in sheets and being placed directly in the ground, plus many other points and particularly sex grooming of children.

Oh and they don't believe in giving to charities. So all those poor people in war torn countries, natural disaster zones etc, who receive millions from the British public in aid and donations to help all the other Muslims in the world....they obviously don't give to their own.

I also don't agree with the illegal immigrants being housed in Wallasey or Seacombe.

Well said Granny, the Muslim community have been silent for too long. Get off your arse's and get your house in order. The problem stems from the Muslim community yet the do very little to confront it.Stand up and be counted if you want to be part of this country.

For all our children and grandkids sakes something's got to be done! If everybody unites and stands together to try and stop this madness we may have a chance, a small one I know. I've got to agree with Granny and Dilly on this.

You forgot organised sexual slavery of adults in your list granny, this seems to be a flourishing business run by certain groups of people.

Still all Quiet on the Muslim front, no condemnation from the muslim community in this country, no not in our name, no all standing together against terrorism, oh sorry they don't relate to this being their home they are allied to their own lands, or so they keep repeating that we as part of the coalition forces bombed their country, funny that they are not so discriminating when they want anything, all of a sudden the are British and entitled.

Another "British" family gone to Syria, allegedly they were tricked into going.

Tricked?? .

Yes granny, the tricked bit came from relatives, probably to stop any shit sticking to them here, I think they are in for a big surprise in Syria, no OAPS in isis, they only take those that are any use to them, I pity the kids.

If they choose to go let them.the more the merrier. I am sick of people making excuses for them. Let's hope they have a better life there as obviously this country wasn't good enough for them.

I agree with Dilly,if they want to go let them on the understanding they can't come back to this country & if they don't like where they've gone tough luck

That Australian woman PM comes out with some common sense. Can be boiled down to "if you don't like the way we things in Oz then tootle off back to the Middle East where you're obviously happier."

I like her way of plain speaking too

Keeping the focus on Rotherham:

Rotherham taxi drivers on strike over CCTV rule
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-33340654

The fact CCTV has been in cameras in less backwards towns for many years seems to have escaped them.

To be truthful, I don't see that they have any ounce of intelligence or even common sense.

If they had, they could find the grotesque happenings that are going on in Syria etc. Women slaves to the leaders, children slaves for other reasons. One account tells of the children loosing their virginity to the commanders (or whatever they are called) then they are passed on after being sewn up , again and again and again !


All these things (within reason) needs to be shown on full screens to every school pupil in the country with all parents there and fully supervised by the authorities. It may cost a bomb, who cares. We may be a democracy, but if the heavy hand of the law comes down in this case, it has to be a better option than what is likely to follow in the next decade.

http://rt.com/news/257085-isis-sexual-abuse-un/

So what are they frightened of ? Seems strange if those not in child grooming, are not in favour of the policy !

Book: Violated by Sarah Wilson

Tells of her trauma in Rotherham and being abused as a 12yr old, and about the death of her sister who was murdered in an honour killing,because she got pregnant by her Asian boyfriend.

Might be worth a read


http://www.harpercollins.co.uk/9780008141271/violated

Their religion must be so embedded and all encompassing that they take their families to join a group of torturers, rapists, murderers and paedophiles in its name, a thought, is it not against their human rights to stop them going? we must be failing in our duty, should we not be helping them to realise their dream of Utopia? after all they can give up their British citizenship and tootle off to Syria and live the dream, I for one wouldn't wish them to be denied the right to live their lives under their own true religion, we should start a petition to the government that all those wishing to take advantage apply now.