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Posted By: jen8505 police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 12:47pm
Never seen one in meols but 3 police motorbikes have just flown through all with their lights on heading in moreton direction. Anyone know where they went?
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 12:56pm
3 police bikes together is normally training unless they are on escort duty.
Posted By: carmar Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 1:02pm
I live in moreton,and all I I've heard for the past hour is sirens I've no idea what's goin on but it's sounds pretty big
Posted By: julie253 Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 1:05pm
I'm at work in Hoylake and I heard the sirens too
Posted By: Littlebear Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 1:15pm
One was parked up at Wilkinson's/Poundstretcher carpark this morning from 7.30 - 8.30, seemed to be waiting for something.
Posted By: cathie Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 1:21pm
flew past me at 1.50 at the lights outside Aldi in moreton...not escorting anyone as they went into the oncoming lane to get through the lights.
Posted By: kimpri Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 1:24pm
3 police bikes went past me on the 53 yesterday
blues n twos doing about a 100 mph
no one in front or behind them
so it could be training.
Posted By: TheComputerLab Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 2:23pm
Yes they have a total disregard for residents and other road users when it comes to training. they must cause disruption, noise pollution and endanger life in order to train, thats in the handbook!
Posted By: CVCVCV Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 2:25pm
Training? I duuuno but if we did that on public roads we'd be nicked for dangerous driving / street-racing. They should do high-speed training at Oulton Park or somewhere...!
Posted By: davaw1 Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 2:55pm
Originally Posted by CVCVCV
Training? I duuuno but if we did that on public roads we'd be nicked for dangerous driving / street-racing. They should do high-speed training at Oulton Park or somewhere...!


High speed training at Oulton Park would be pretty pointless wouldn't it because when it came to the real thing on the roads it's not going to be anything like a race track at Oulton Park isit?
Posted By: Wench Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 7:46pm
Naughty Naughty Police!! Can't have them training to be able to get somewhere quickly if someone needs them urgently can we!?!

smack
Posted By: Silverback Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 8:50pm
Originally Posted by Wench
Naughty Naughty Police!! Can't have them training to be able to get somewhere quickly if someone needs them urgently can we!?!

smack


The maximum speed limit is 70 in this country, if the need to learn how to control their vehicles at speeds in excess of this they should do it off road, making race tracks the ideal places, the so called traffic can be made up of other police vehicles so it is safely controlled.

Screwing it down a motorway or an A road full of normal drivers, who are unaware what is going on, is asking for trouble and will at some point in time be the cause of a tragedy.

There are far to many idiots behind the wheel of cars on the roads with radio's blaring, and not taking enough notice of the rear view mirrors nowadays, without throwing high speed chase training into the mix.
Posted By: Wench Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 9:04pm
By the very virtue of that reply, none of the emergency services should then be allowed to exceed the speed limit in order to get to an emergency then. How many people in this country stick to the speed limit or drive as they should do!?!

That's the whole point of training - using other members of the emergency services to act as MOP's on racetracks where there are no junctions, traffic lights etc is useless as, like you say, most are akin to crap drivers (not taking notice of rear view mirror, other road users, music blaring etc). It is far too difficult to attempt to recreate how the public MAY act.

It's those MOP's that should not be on the road in the first place! When people have attempted to get someone out of a burning car, and had to watch the trapped person die in front of them because the fire engine couldn't get there quick enough because of such bellend drivers or locals moaning that their village is not a place to speed through, then they should moan!

Nobody was injured or killed today so I don't see the problem. I'd rather the emergency services train on the roads so that they are prepared for any idiot behaviour in case I, or those I love, need them in an emergency.

Has it been confirmed that it was a training exercise?
Posted By: puntoar Re: police motorbikes - 16th Sep 2011 9:46pm
Totally agree with Wench's post.
At the end of the day, whether they are training or on a call for assitance etc, you should be aware of them whilst driving any how so whats the difference. What would be the point of training on a race track!
Posted By: AlexB Re: police motorbikes - 17th Sep 2011 12:32am
Originally Posted by Silverback


The maximum speed limit is 70 in this country, if the need to learn how to control their vehicles at speeds in excess of this they should do it off road, making race tracks the ideal places, the so called traffic can be made up of other police vehicles so it is safely controlled.


When your Nan dies because they got there 20 seconds too late, you'll think limiting emergency services to the 'speed limit' is fcuking ridiculous.
Posted By: CVCVCV Re: police motorbikes - 18th Sep 2011 2:53am
Originally Posted by AlexB
Originally Posted by Silverback


The maximum speed limit is 70 in this country, if the need to learn how to control their vehicles at speeds in excess of this they should do it off road, making race tracks the ideal places, the so called traffic can be made up of other police vehicles so it is safely controlled.


When your Nan dies because they got there 20 seconds too late, you'll think limiting emergency services to the 'speed limit' is fcuking ridiculous.
True. But no-one said that. Learn to read. What was said was that TRAINING at high speed on public roads would not be right or proper - not responding to a REAL emergency. Frankly I rather doubt that this WAS training... if as stated they were really going that fast. Police are not exempt from speed laws.
Posted By: chriskay Re: police motorbikes - 18th Sep 2011 2:02pm
Originally Posted by CVCVCV
Police are not exempt from speed laws.


"By virtue of Section 87 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (as amended by Section 19 Road Safety Act 2006),

(1) No statutory provision imposing a speed limit on motor vehicles shall apply to any vehicle on an occasion when–

(a) it is being used for fire and rescue authority purposes or for or in connection with the exercise of any function of a relevant authority as defined in section 6 of the Fire (Scotland) Act 2005, for Ambulance purposes or for Police or Serious Organised Crime Agency purposes,(b) it is being used for other prescribed purposes in such circumstances as may be prescribed, or
(c) it is being used for training persons to drive vehicles for use for any of the purposes mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b) above, if the observance of that provision would be likely to hinder the use of the vehicle for the purpose for which it was being used on that occasion."

It seems to me totally reasonable that the emergency services should be allowed to train under realistic conditions. This includes negotiating whatever numpties are using the roads at the time.
Posted By: CVCVCV Re: police motorbikes - 18th Sep 2011 2:43pm
Oh I see. Law amended in 2006. Still not in favour though, I seriously do not like the idea of public roads being used for high speed training. Only a matter of time before someone "cops" it. Then I am pretty sure it will turn out to have been the "numpty"'s fault. "Should have got out of the way"... Justifiable though I am sure some you will say, got to make their training "realistic". I guess that then, the "what if it was your child" argument wouldn't apply... yeah right.
Posted By: Sanchez Re: police motorbikes - 18th Sep 2011 2:50pm
I've seen them in big 8 bike convoys a few times on the way to formby, not sure of the name of the dual caridgeway its on but I assume they are just practicing for convoys etc.
Posted By: davaw1 Re: police motorbikes - 18th Sep 2011 3:35pm
Originally Posted by CVCVCV
Oh I see. Law amended in 2006. Still not in favour though, I seriously do not like the idea of public roads being used for high speed training. Only a matter of time before someone "cops" it. Then I am pretty sure it will turn out to have been the "numpty"'s fault. "Should have got out of the way"... Justifiable though I am sure some you will say, got to make their training "realistic". I guess that then, the "what if it was your child" argument wouldn't apply... yeah right.


High speed training must of been around a long time and i can't recall anyone killed through it. Plus what happens if they're on a real shout and crash due to lack of training?
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: police motorbikes - 18th Sep 2011 4:20pm
Originally Posted by davaw1
Originally Posted by CVCVCV
Oh I see. Law amended in 2006. Still not in favour though, I seriously do not like the idea of public roads being used for high speed training. Only a matter of time before someone "cops" it. Then I am pretty sure it will turn out to have been the "numpty"'s fault. "Should have got out of the way"... Justifiable though I am sure some you will say, got to make their training "realistic". I guess that then, the "what if it was your child" argument wouldn't apply... yeah right.


High speed training must of been around a long time and i can't recall anyone killed through it. Plus what happens if they're on a real shout and crash due to lack of training?


load of bollocks if you ask me, whats the training for?
anyone with a brain half the size of an egg knows it`s common knowledge to "be aware at all times" or they shouldn`t be on the road at all.

The police have been in real crashes before and they get treated the same as anyone else would be, they don`t get any special treatment, after all, they are human wink
Posted By: ThatChap Re: police motorbikes - 18th Sep 2011 9:13pm
Actually, there has been at least one death during high-speed training...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7657421.stm

However.... they were clearly exceeding training limits... I wouldn't say that training should be stopped - rather that it needs to be planned well, and kept under control... Indeed, for motorbikes, it's extremely important to keep skills current - I know when I've had a couple of weeks break from mine, I feel rusty and need a couple of hours just to bed back in....
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: police motorbikes - 18th Sep 2011 9:52pm
The part I don't like is the "self-training" whereby any police motorist can just go zooming around at any time when they are on duty and call it training.

It should at least be controlled, authorised and monitored, with tetra at least they can now see what they are actually doing.
Posted By: paranoidballoon Re: police motorbikes - 19th Sep 2011 4:43pm
If a police car or bike goes through a red light and is caught on camera.It has to be logged along with the job number it is attending .
All the stuff about the Sargent's chips going cold is a load of bunk.
Posted By: hoseman Re: police motorbikes - 19th Sep 2011 5:25pm
Originally Posted by paranoidballoon
All the stuff about the Sargent's chips going cold is a load of bunk.


Soooo true mate, no excuses now they got microwaves at the station!! whistle
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