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Posted By: Bizzybee1 What the hell is wrong with these people? - 22nd Aug 2013 4:36pm
Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran , Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Lebanon etc. etc. etc. Why do all these people have some sort of inherent desire to kill each other?......and anyone who disagrees with their crazy beliefs.
Posted By: lau2908 Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 22nd Aug 2013 5:06pm
I dont know, all I know is they all have one thing in common...
Posted By: Shambo Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 22nd Aug 2013 6:57pm
Originally Posted by lau2908
I dont know, all I know is they all have one thing in common...
What's that?
Posted By: lansyp Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 22nd Aug 2013 7:31pm
and they dont even drink ! at least we know why it happens in birko lol
Posted By: Dilly Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 22nd Aug 2013 8:58pm
Originally Posted by NickLeg
Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran , Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Lebanon etc. etc. etc. Why do all these people have some sort of inherent desire to kill each other?......and anyone who disagrees with their crazy beliefs.

Religion, who the fook invented it ?
Posted By: DeanoBirko Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Aug 2013 8:23am
Its because their sky daddy is better than our sky daddy.
Posted By: granny Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Aug 2013 10:43am
Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by Dilly
[quote=NickLeg]Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran , Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Lebanon etc. etc. etc. Why do all these people have some sort of inherent desire to kill each other?......and anyone who disagrees with their crazy beliefs.

Religion, who the fook invented it ?


What's religion got to do with it? It's the bad guys, who would like the world to think it comes under the heading of religion. So they obviously have achieved, what they set out to do! Why did the so called Christians kill each othe in the millions during the second world war? Answer..Led by super powers!
Posted By: bizzybee Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Aug 2013 11:25am
Originally Posted by NickLeg
Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran , Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Lebanon etc. etc. etc. Why do all these people have some sort of inherent desire to kill each other?......and anyone who disagrees with their crazy beliefs.


It does appear to be something in the Arab culture. There seems to have been civil wars in the Middle East since biblical times. Very, very weird and disturbing in the current political climate.
Posted By: granny Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Aug 2013 12:36pm
Originally Posted by bizzybee
Originally Posted by NickLeg
Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran , Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Lebanon etc. etc. etc. Why do all these people have some sort of inherent desire to kill each other?......and anyone who disagrees with their crazy beliefs.


It does appear to be something in the Arab culture. There seems to have been civil wars in the Middle East since biblical times. Very, very weird and disturbing in the current political climate.



Buzzybee hi
You are so right. I am fascinated about the history and cultures of these regions from early history.Due to their vast empires it was a very powerful region .The following info is from Wikipedia.

Assyrian empires

Mesopotamia was home to several powerful empires that came to rule almost the entire Middle East—particularly the Assyrian Empires of 1365-1076 BC and the Neo Assyrian Empire of 911- 605 BC. The Assyrian Empire, at its peak, was the largest the world had seen. It ruled all of what is now Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt, Cyprus, and Bahrain—with large swathes of Iran, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Sudan, and Arabia. "The Assyrian empires, particularly the third, had a profound and lasting impact on the Near East. Before Assyrian hegemony ended, the Assyrians brought the highest civilization to the then known world. From the Caspian to Cyprus, from Anatolia to Egypt, Assyrian imperial expansion would bring into the Assyrian sphere nomadic and barbaric communities, and would bestow the gift of civilization upon them....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Middle_East
Posted By: madbaker Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Aug 2013 4:32pm
they are all muslims and belive in what they do
Posted By: justice Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Aug 2013 4:48pm
Maybe if the super powers had made a better job of dividing the areas up and not financed the factions that they believed would give them the best trade rates we would have a fairer and more peaceful area.
There is nothing in the Koran to say that people should kill each other.
There are plenty of Atheists in the Middle East.
Posted By: bizzybee Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Aug 2013 5:29pm
Originally Posted by madbaker
they are all muslims and belive in what they do


What? That killing each other and permanent chaos is a good idea?
Posted By: bizzybee Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Aug 2013 5:31pm
Originally Posted by justice
Maybe if the super powers had made a better job of dividing the areas up and not financed the factions that they believed would give them the best trade rates we would have a fairer and more peaceful area.
There is nothing in the Koran to say that people should kill each other.
There are plenty of Atheists in the Middle East.


There were none of today's super powers around two thousand years ago.
nobody knows what or who was around 2,000 years ago, we only know what we read in books written by fallable people, usually from their point of view, which is far from accurate, most of the time, and downright lies a lot of the time, one of the most recent being Iraq having weapons of mass destruction by Tony Blair, we would never have found out about lies and deceiet 2,000 years ago, as we were uneducated, and believed everything we were told, by the superpowers of the time, such as priests, rabbis,and kings etc who we thought were holy, and could do no wrong.
Posted By: granny Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 25th Aug 2013 5:42pm
Originally Posted by dool4lit4tle
nobody knows what or who was around 2,000 years ago, we only know what we read in books written by fallable people, usually from their point of view, which is far from accurate, most of the time, and downright lies a lot of the time, one of the most recent being Iraq having weapons of mass destruction by Tony Blair, we would never have found out about lies and deceiet 2,000 years ago, as we were uneducated, and believed everything we were told, by the superpowers of the time, such as priests, rabbis,and kings etc who we thought were holy, and could do no wrong.


Sorry Dool4lit4tle, but we do know who and what was around 2000,2500, and 3000 years ago and the ancient civilisations were extremely clever.We obviously don't know it all, but we know alot. The Greek Empire, The Roman Empire, the Egyptians, all gave us knowledge, which is still used to this day. These Empires were pre- 2000 years ago. There are records for census data, also births, deaths, marriages, land ownership , and historical records relating to events etc. The records were written down, on scrolls, books,parchment, carvings and in pictures, as there were no other means to record them. Their accounts of events have in most cases, been cross referenced from records and accounts written by others also.. Usually, until they have been so, they are not counted as factual. Letters were another source of great historical value to define the truth. Historians have ploughed through evidence for hundreds, if not thousands of years to aquire their knowledge. The ancient Empires had Emperors. Priests only came after Christianity, i.e. Christ.only 2000 yrs ago. Christ or Jesus of Nazareth was written about by many, in different accounts. Not just his disciples and followers. At the time, an account of Jesus was written by the Romans, who were 1500 miles away.

The Greeks worshipped Gods like Apollo.
There was Plato great mathematician, and philosopher, 400yrs BC. (BC means Before Christ) He wrote books on cosmology and named all the planets we know today.
Pythagoras , 500yrs BC also a great mathematician and philosopher. The Pythagoras Theorem is still used today.

The Egyptians built Pyramids, Romans, roads hundreds of miles long, cities ( like Chester, which is just a little one in comparison) aqueducts, plus sport arenas for 10,000’s of people. They hunted wild animals such elephants, lions and tigers and transported them live, by sea back to Rome.
There is so much they were involved in and capable of, and the Romans were very brutal and military. Records, accounts and books were written during one of the most bureaucratic regimes.
They had no reason to lie to the people in those ancient times, who would they lie to? They had missions to be accomplished,and those who ruled made the decissions.If anyone argued, they were brown bread!
The Greeks and Romans were the new kids on the block. The Asyrian Empire was 2500yrs BC and there are records to show they were a extremely advanced in many ares of developement.
Please take time to look up some of the knowledge we have on these ancient empires, you will see, we have much to thank them for.

Posted By: fish5133 Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 25th Aug 2013 11:30pm
Probably forgot Ireland and if you go back far enough you can add scotland and england and wales. Our English history is not that glorious---- we just killed for other peoples lands and resources rather than factional religious reasons---well excepting the crusades. We in the west rip unborn unwanted babies from the womb but we sanitise it by making it "legal".

They are not all muslims but also hindu and other religious faiths. People of no faith are equally murderous.The problem imo then is within man and which other factors like certain beliefs, alcohol, drugs, greed , poverty, lust,power, politics, fear can bring out.

In the words of "V" If the truth be told .....we need only look in a mirror



Posted By: Bizzybee1 Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 26th Aug 2013 9:23am
Is this Middle East mayhem a bit of an elephant in the room, with regards to news reports? Ok, we get bulletins on the problems in individual countries but I've yet to hear one commentator report on the collective chaos as a whole.
Posted By: Moonstar Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 26th Aug 2013 1:27pm
They probably think our tiny brains cannot comprehend the intricacies of international warfare.

The combinations of 'whys' and 'wherefores' could keep Aristotle arguing the points for a million years.

Personally I wonder what part temperament, hot spices and unbearable heat bring into the equation (whatever that is).
it could come as a surprise to you but I am reasonably well up on ancient history,although maybe not so much as you are. I am not claiming we don't have any information about the past, but that doesn't prove everything we believe is correct,even quite a lot of recent records of b.m.d.s are wrong, tracing my family tree proved that to me, so it's highly likely ancient documents etc can be too. I am sure Germany's school children are taught an entirely different version of the first and second world wars to our's.I should imagine each country teaches events from their own point of view, and propaganda must have alway,s been around.you must know about how the people of Britain were cohearsed into christianity by combining their ceremonies such as easter,which was of pagan origin, and there are many more examples of manipulation in the past
Posted By: granny Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 26th Aug 2013 6:29pm
Originally Posted by dool4lit4tle
it could come as a surprise to you but I am reasonably well up on ancient history,although maybe not so much as you are. I am not claiming we don't have any information about the past, but that doesn't prove everything we believe is correct,even quite a lot of recent records of b.m.d.s are wrong, tracing my family tree proved that to me, so it's highly likely ancient documents etc can be too. I am sure Germany's school children are taught an entirely different version of the first and second world wars to our's.I should imagine each country teaches events from their own point of view, and propaganda must have alway,s been around.you must know about how the people of Britain were cohearsed into christ ianity by combining their ceremonies such as easter,which was of pagan origin, and there are many more examples of manipulation in the past


You sound cross! Well don't be, I'm not having a go at you.
So far as I am aware, Christ was crucified at the feast of the Passover, which ,I am sure you are aware,is of Jewish origin.This was the 14th day of the first month.The first month being April, and the new years started in March.The calendars changed and it now is on the 15th day of Nisan, which falls between March and April of the Gregorian calendar. The 14th Nisan is now The Lord's Supper.The early Christian church did not observe Easter, only Passover.The pagans celebrated the return of Spring, long before the Christians celebrated Easter. Babylonians celebrated a ritual called Ishta, which was the name of a family ,2000 years prior, in a similar way to our Easter now, and yes they had pagan gods, so you are right to say that over time the traditions of Easter which is to represent the beginningof new life,has developed and crossed over, but the dates change for us each year according to when lent begins. The Jews still celebrate the Passover on the 15th.day of Nisan, which is in commemoration of thr Jews liberation from slavery in Egypt.Those who celebrate Easter today, could be said to be celebrating a Pagan festival, I suppose, if that's what they wish to see.It took over 300 years for Christianity to be observed in Britain .Most don't acknowledge the Christian beliefs anyway, so it is a holiday for them and nothing else.
The council of Nicosea set the date for Easter in the 4th century AD to coincide with the Paschal moon,But why the paschal full moon? Because that was the date of Passover in the Jewish calendar, and the Last Supper (Holy Thursday) occurred on the Passover. Therefore, Easter was the Sunday after Passover.
Apart from all that and more, we are not really discussing the topic, and my point is that the ancient civilizations had no religious followings as we know now.Islam, was much later, and does not promote killing at all. In the regions originally mentioned, they come from very strong enthnic roots and beliefs,find it hard to give up their identity and are being manipulated by the modern world, with too many radical groups wishing to cause mayhem. ('They' being the ones who are promoting the violence and bloodshed).Not forgetting the dear Mr George Bush jnr. who spoke of these people as Muslims, in a blanket fashion. Once upon a time and not so long ago, we referred to foreign people by their nationality.That dear gentleman brought it down to religious groups and we have followed the example ever since, which to my mind is wrong.Religion has nowt to do with the origin of these wars, only extremeists, dictators and interfering outside influence.
Posted By: granny Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 26th Aug 2013 10:59pm
Correction: Should be 'The Council of Nicea' not the Council of Nicosea as stated above.
The Council of Nicea was the firt council of Christian Bishops.
Posted By: fish5133 Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 26th Aug 2013 11:43pm
quote "Religion has nowt to do with the origin of these wars, only extremeists, dictators and interfering outside influence".

I think the sunni and shia muslims are killing each other over their differing view of Islam.




Posted By: granny Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 27th Aug 2013 12:00am
bbc.co.uk/religions

The majority of Sunni and Shi'a Muslims do not allow their theological differences to divide them or cause hostility between them. For example, Shaikh Mahmood Shaltoot of the Al-Azhar University in Cairo, the oldest institution of Islamic learning in the world, considers Shi'a Islam to be of equal status to the four Sunni schools of jurisprudence.

However, current global political conditions mean there has been a degree of polarisation and hostility in many Muslim societies. The term Rafidi (meaning "Rejecter") has been applied by radical Sunnis to disparage Shi'as. In turn the Shi'as will often use the label Wahabi, which refers to a particular sectarian movement within Sunni Islam, as a term of abuse for all those who disagree with Shi'a beliefs and practices.

Posted By: lansyp Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 27th Aug 2013 11:36am
do sense religion is causing a rift between wikiwirralirians .religion and football are always top topics to cause havoc .i dont believe in religion ,though its each to there own .and as for football well i support tranmere so enough said lol
Posted By: j_demo Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 27th Aug 2013 11:55am
click me for the answer
Posted By: bigpete Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 27th Aug 2013 2:44pm
Politics and religion - the worst mix.

See my beloved Egypt - religiously motivated politicos - who were going to sort the country out - found out like all politicians that it ain't easy - so just did the religious bit instead. Which is easy cause all religious followers by definition have a space occupied by mumbo-jumbo claptrap rather than by brain, so are easily led by charlatans.....

I'll get my coat and hope Egypt makes it through - the real people not the 'mouths' are lovely people... more likely to shake their heads at the stone-throwing yobs than shake their fists...
Posted By: dool4lit4tle Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 28th Aug 2013 11:21am
Hi, I don't think I explained myself very well, I agree with almost every word that granny say's, the point I'm trying to make is that just because things are written in the bible, the quaran, etc or inscibed on monuments, doesn't prove anything, as we all know men lie, add on bit's leave out bit's, use propaganda for their cause, they do it today, ie george bush, tony blair, saddam hussein, and many more,so the probability of the powers that ruled in ancient times did exactly.
Posted By: svenlock68 Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 21st Sep 2013 7:22pm
And while they fight each ..... The west can fly in , bomb the sh it out of everything ,get black water in and rape all the oil we can.
" axis of evil " ..... Is the west. USA uk Europe
Posted By: svenlock68 Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Sep 2013 9:57am
War criminal blair said years ago on tv about the need to overcome " problems " in the area of Iran Syria Iraq etc etc
It's all about oil control.
It's been talked about and planned for the last 40 years. Anyone seen jimmy carters 70 s speech about needing to a grip on the worlds oil and supply ?
I hate the way we bleet on about casualties of our war, no one mentions the hundreds of thousands who aren't terrorists ( women kids etc ) who were blatted into the dust in Iraq. 80 % killed weren't an army member.
I don't take sides but its no wonder they hate us.
There's a template of wars in Middle East == supply arms/ insurgents , get yourself a dictator , put one in if there isn't one , justify a war somehow,go in there bombs blasting , then spend billions of tax pounds or dollars " restructuring " , making the country far worse off/ unstable.
Oh yes control the oil fields. Sod the people , that's the important thing.
Scumbag bush said once " how do you revitalised an economy ? Make a war ! "
Posted By: bizzybee Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Sep 2013 6:22pm
offtopic This thread is about asking why the Arab nations seem to be intent on killing each other.
Posted By: svenlock68 Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? - 23rd Sep 2013 6:42pm
Tolstoy said " as long as there's slaughter houses , there will always be battlefields"
Meaning if human kind look down on any expression of life , such as they do a lot to each other ,via race religion creed greed apathy indifference economics they'll easily disregard their pain ,suffering and death.
In short , they fight cause they like to, they love to separate each other/divide === " youre the out group, were the in group "
People do it to each other all the time , just pick a reason. They're not happy unless they're fighting. It's the human race..... Morons.
Go on youtube and watch "earthlings " director shaun monson (a vegan intellectual )talk about the human obsession with "duality " weve been fighting for 97% of all our history of man....insane.
In a hundred years will anyone talk of or care about 2013s Syria war.....answer NO.
the problem with the earth is humans.
Watch George carlins "we like war".The concept of duality is dead simple;
hitler......germans/empathy....jews /apathy
humans.....cute dog/empathy.....pig or cattle/apathy
americans....rich white people/empathy....poor black people/apathy
One religion....empathy.....the other religion....apathy
Get the picture ?
Human race do it to each other all the time....its hard to make humans think of outside themselves, to be un-selfish, to think beyond themselves.
This type of enlightenment is foreign to most people.
Shauns new film "UNITY" deals with these issues.
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