I know this isn't technically related to wirral but I've just being reading this article
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-12007100 on the BBC website an was wondering if I'm the only person disgusted by this.
Its tantamount to suggesting that it doesn't matter what country your from, just come to the UK , claim asylum, while waiting choose to break the laws of our land, kill a girl as a result, and to avoid being forced out of our country for the crimes you have committed and the life you took, which incidently wouldn't have happened if you hadn't illegally entered our country in the first place, find a easy willing english woman, impregnate her, have kids, then say its breaching your human rights!
What about the human rights of the girl whose life he took???
This kind of story just winds me up that people find and pick loopholes for their own ends! Yes he now has kids in this country but if they were concieved while he was here illegally then he should not be able to use that as part of his defense its just wrong.
Before anyone tries to be all politically correct and accuse me of inciting racial hatred or whatever I would like to point out thats not my intention whatsoever I was purely reading through the news online an just find it a shame that people can do these kind of things yet still be afforded the right to stay in our country after what they have done.
Talk about sending the wrong message!
When oh when is PC-ness going to be exposed for the ridiculous nonsense that it is. If it feels wrong then it usually is - and our glorious leaders have a lot to answer for.
I find myself feeling that the just thing to have done to this guy would have been send to send him back to Iraq minus several parts of his anatomy and maybe even in a coffin. And I couldn't care less how non-PC that might be.
You only seem to have HUMAN RIGHTS if you were mot born here.
Crazy crazy system that I no longer see as fair and equal to all and feel like I dont have the same rights as illegals and criminals as they seem to hold all the cards nowadays.
You only seem to have HUMAN RIGHTS if you were mot born here.
Crazy crazy system that I no longer see as fair and equal to all and feel like I dont have the same rights as illegals and criminals as they seem to hold all the cards nowadays.
well said cv and diz
this pcness sickens me to the stomach
There'll be trouble down at 'mill soon ! Geez, just WHEN oh WHEN is this PC/Human Rights crapola going to be stopped. ONE DAY, the infamous Joe Public and a few hundred thousand other folk are going to take to the streets and say "ENOUGH". My God, they'll need a few water cannon then. One day baby... one day!
In the meantime, please pass me the sick bag !
They're hoping to making marches illegal in London after the recent protest ...
You only seem to have HUMAN RIGHTS if you were mot born here.
Crazy crazy system that I no longer see as fair and equal to all and feel like I dont have the same rights as illegals and criminals as they seem to hold all the cards nowadays.
yup hit the nail right on the head if i had the money id fook this country right off
roll on lottery numbers
then the rag heads can have this country
They're hoping to making marches illegal in London after the recent protest ...
if its ok to burn the poppy then in my eyes its our human right to protest and have marches next fredom of speech will be ilegal
THEN AGAIN come to think about it it almost is depending on what you say!!!
The country went mad a long time ago. This case sickened me as did the copper getting stabbed yesterday. When oh when is someone going to say enough is enough?
Everyone needs to watch a strict diet of the films "Fahrenheit 9/11", "V for Vendetta", "Outlaw" and "1985". See the parallels, and then tell me its not time to stand up for some good honest to goodness government overthrowing.
That said, the systems in place to monitor such discussions on the internet, via phones and in any form of digital media, would soon mean that men in dark clothes would be at our doors, to mute us before anything even took place.
As for the original topic - that guy should hang. IMHO.
Good God how can they justify this.It would be bad enough if he where British,but to think we welcomed him here to give him a better life!!!!
barstard!!!
Sorry,but this stinks!
The country went mad a long time ago. This case sickened me as did the copper getting stabbed yesterday. When oh when is someone going to say enough is enough?
well said
its the human rights act that is the problem...it has some very good points but this country and its governments takes it to the extreme....
i am not a rascist btw, i believe we should all respect eachther as human beings but when those rights are broken action should be taken
Absolutely,send him back to his own country and let him take what is waiting for him.He had his chance here and blew it.!!!
Absolutely,send him back to his own country and let him take what is waiting for him.He had his chance here and blew it.!!!
well said. fook him off!!!
Dead right. A person's human rights should be forfeited as soon as they break the law. This country is turning into (is already?)the rubbish tip of Europe. As if we didn't have enough home-grown scumbags to worry about without taking other countries garbage in.
Exactly.This is the worst case for a long time that brings to light how wrong these 'human rights' nutters are!!!!
The 33-year-old, who did not hold a driving licence, was jailed for four months for driving while disqualified and
If he was licenced and insured to drive the car
what would he get for failing to stop after an accident?
A new pair of shoes for when he walks,
Chop there cream crackers off before or when they arrive in our country,
No kids, No rights, So give me the shoes back and f**k off simples
why wasn't he deported after his first offence?
this country is pathetic
julie
At the end of the day I look at it this way. All the laws are drawn up by lawyers, one way or another. The lawyers client base is the lawless, they don't get any money from the the law abiding because basically they don't do anything wrong and don't need their services. Therefore any law abiding citizen is on a hiding to nothing and.........we have to pay for it through taxes as well. Talk about heads they win, tails you lose.
at last the some one in goverment has got there shit together and wants to know why this scumbag has been allowed to stay
been thinking a lot about this subject the last couple of days but for all those legal minding peeps out there....couldnt something be done to this fella as article 1 of the united nations conventions on the right of the child is
* the right to life
this act is supported by our own govt...
just a thought.....
also on the question of capital punishment, i am a fan of capital punishment but only when there is 100% + proof that person committed such a henious crime, and also the surrounding circumstances behind it....i will probably get shot down now but commiting a murder has various degrees and extenuating circumstances, they cant all be labelled into one crime...
there are mercy killings- should ppl hang for a mercy killing?
not of sound mind etc- there are genuine mentally ill patients out there who do commit murder- and im not talking about the yorkshire ripper or ian brady who make a bollocks of this system.
accidental murder-sometimes these are not meant and the convicted had no intention, of maiming let alone killing a person.....
i believe these 3 above circumstances warrant a life meaning life prison sentence...where the only time they leave the big house is in a coffin...but in saying that my attitude is abit more compassionate regarding mercy killings as their lives must of been unbearable...watching someone suffer and die is the one of the cruelest things a human being can ever see...it hurts deeply
for child and elderly murderers, nonces etc they need to be tortured first...
before the dealth penalty.
.
proof has to be beyond dna etc etc as we all know how snidey the legal system, police etc can be just to get a crime closed...it has been proven over the years that there are innocent ppl in our prisons because they were stitched up by the police etc...
if they had of been hung, then it has become for nothing except to cowtow to the legal system and the general public...
watch the films of derek bentley and timothy evans, 2 ppl who hung for something they didnt commit and it may give a different perspective on capital punishment
for the person this thread refers to, he should recieve capital punishment, he left the scene of the crime and tried to hide what he had done, he killed an innocent and he should pay a price for this
Derek Bentley and Timothy Evans all hinged on what he meant by "Let him have it." i.e. did he mean shoot or let the copper have the gun. The fact that the killing was carried out is not in dispute. They reckon Evans was mentally sub normal or whatever the new name for it is. Either way, the policeman was killed just doing his job and they were two baddies. Nuff said as far as I am concerned. The papers were full of it at the time, plus the trial so there is no need to go over it again in a film made by the weepy brigade.
On top of that, has anyone heard what Sami Chakrabati has to say on this one at all? Wonder whose rights she will champion.
bandycoot.....timothy evan has nothing to do with the crime with derek bentley..
timothy evans was hung for the murder of his ewife and child when it was done by john reginald cristie
must be getting my names mixed up, apols, will have to come back on that one.
Oops! Got it totally wrong, Christopher Craig was Bentley's mate. Can't rely on my total recall anymore, but I should worry. So we agree that Timothy Evans was wrongfully hung then, which makes hanging on flimsy evidence a bit dodgy one might say. I suppose at the end of the day 100 per cent is difficult and circumstantial should never be used as a reason to snuff someone. The Iraqi should certainly be thrown out of the country though, he has been caught driving again since as well.
I repeat!!! He had his chance and blew it!!!!!
yeh i know look at the lockerby bomber got realsed as he was dying hes still f....ing waliking about .and the best that makes me angry they go on and on about immagration .Lets see if theres any improvement next year
how come they let this fella out yet ronny brigs had to be on his death bed before he was let out and he only robbed a train ffs!!
raymondo because ronnie biggs has no connections with oil and massive wealth to pay off govts
When are the powers to be going to recognise that a car in the wrong hands is a lethal weapon, or even in the right hands its a lethal weapon. Why is it even being debated that he should or shouldn't be protected by human rights, this should be debated in 15 years time after he has served a sentence that suits the crime he has committed. The murder of a child. I'm not suggesting everyone who kills someone in a car related accident should serve 15 years in prison, this person shouldn't have been driving in the first place, if it was a firearms crime and someone was killed a sentence would have been handed out to suit, is a death caused by an illegally driven car any different. Why are people from Iraq allowed to seek asylum in this country when British and Allied forces have supposedly made that place a safer place to live.
a minister in the last government Jack Straw { his surname says it all} leaned with the wind when he signed up this country to the EU's bill on human rights, and now we have an Army of lawers who specialise in making sure the so called human rights of any one who could posibly be deported over rules any chance of them leaving this land of plenty.