I don't know why they didn't just shoot the fooker when they found him. Will save the taxpayer a fortune - no paying for the trial, keeping him in luxury in prison etc.
Shoot him, job done!
Whether it's him that's just shot himself or the Police that have shot him, lets just hope that's an end to it all.
The poor fellas been found, this guys been through a lot, easy for the public to judge him but he`s lost everything he possesses, his home, bussiness & family, no wonder he went off the rails. He`s currently being treated for a gunshot wound, the police wouldn`t of killed him, they want him to stand trial for his mistakes. He shouldn`t of shot that police chap, that was wrong but he hasn`t been thinking straight, he`s lost it & his minds not his own.
PUT YOURSELVES IN HIS SITUATION!!! Try to think before you judge someone you don`t know.
He's been found and shot....by all accounts it was the police who shot at him...(not confirmed) he is in Newcastle general hospital (seen the escourted ambulance myself) going past my street so seeen as I live mins away from a major hospital can only say he is there? (ironic because he is on the same street /road (west road) were he shot the copper!! will keep wiki informed on local gossip and hearsay!!!
Don't know two were ramanded in custody yesterday charged with conspiracy to murder at newcastle maj's (which was surrounded by armed police)I see it everyday (the court) and another three are apparantly waiting for dates (they are the people caught from phone records)since moade was on the run so expect assisting an offender charges too follow.....
The poor fellas been found, this guys been through a lot, easy for the public to judge him but he`s lost everything he possesses, his home, bussiness & family, no wonder he went off the rails. He`s currently being treated for a gunshot wound, the police wouldn`t of killed him, they want him to stand trial for his mistakes. He shouldn`t of shot that police chap, that was wrong but he hasn`t been thinking straight, he`s lost it & his minds not his own.
PUT YOURSELVES IN HIS SITUATION!!! Try to think before you judge someone you don`t know.
Lots of people loose everything bud, some more than others. It doesnt in anyway shape or form give him the right to pick up a gun and start shooting people. I am sympathetic towards him though but dont agree with his methods of dealing with it.
I read the letters (what has been released anyway) and have to say, he did it to himself. You can't blame his ex - if you don't love someone, you don't love them. Why should you have to stay with someone just because you're scared of what they will do? We've all been dumped and had our "hearts broken" because they were "the one" but we don't all turn into gun weilding killers. The majority of us get over it and walk away with our dignity intact. I lost everything but my way of getting back at people was to be happy and successful - and it hurts them more!!
HE reacted the way he did, nobody MADE him react that way. If anything, he reacted like a spoilt brat who didn't get what he wanted, effectively stamping his feet and throwing a tantrum. The only thing I don't agree with is if she did cheat on him. If you don't want to be with someone then leave - don't cheat; it's a $hit trick.
To threaten the hospital staff was out of order. If he hadn't shot her, then she wouldn't have been in hospital in the first place.
Blaming others is pathetic - people need to take responsibility for their own actions!!
The only bit I agree with him on is his views on chavs.
What I have just noticed is that when I have the page with the letters on, the tab at the top says "Raoul Moat Letter Anal" It cuts off the rest of the word analysis.
I don't believe in capital punishment, at the same time i don't believe the police should put themselves at risk, they should of took the nutter out from 100 yards, not move in on him like they did, won't be missed.
During the course of the manhunt, Northumbria Police announced on 5 July that they had been warned by Durham Prison in the afternoon of Friday, 2 July, that Moat intended to seriously harm his girlfriend, with the Birtley shootings occuring in the early hours of Saturday, the next day. As a result, Temporary Chief Constable Sue Sim announced Northumbria Police would be voluntarily referring the case to the Independent Police Complaints Commission for investigation.
My condolences to the families that have been affected by this mans actions. May I say that a man in the right state of mind would not do this. It is obvious that the balance of his mind had gone.
It makes you wonder if American police would have dealt with it any differently, maybe try and wound him to disarm.
I think the way it was handled was the best as there will be all sorts of inquiries for months to come.
I don't honestly think the Police could have won no matter which course of action they took. Either way, they'll be berrated for their actions by some people. After all, someone has to take the blame - and it can't possibly be Moat himself can it!!?!!
The poor fellas been found, this guys been through a lot, easy for the public to judge him but he`s lost everything he possesses, his home, bussiness & family, no wonder he went off the rails. He`s currently being treated for a gunshot wound, the police wouldn`t of killed him, they want him to stand trial for his mistakes. He shouldn`t of shot that police chap, that was wrong but he hasn`t been thinking straight, he`s lost it & his minds not his own.
PUT YOURSELVES IN HIS SITUATION!!! Try to think before you judge someone you don`t know.
10 July 2010 01:48pm Police fired a Taser stun gun during the dramatic last stand by crazed gunman Raoul Moat, Northumbria Police Temporary Chief Constable Sue Sim said.
Ms Sim said that during the six-hour stand-off at Rothbury, Northumbria, officers had been striving to persuade Moat to give himself up peacefully, adding: "During this time officers discharged Taser. However this did not prevent his death."
When a man chewing a shotgun barrel, with his finger on the triggers gets an electric shock, you'd expect him to jump and twitch a bit, would'nt you?
Whilst I don't agree with what he's done. He must have been feeling pretty desperate to go so off the rails.
Unless an understanding is gained about the motivations behind major crimes, they will keep being comitted.
It's easy to say, "lock them up and throw away the key" but unless an understand is gained we'll just end up with an ever expanding, expensive prison population.
The poor fellas been found, this guys been through a lot, easy for the public to judge him but he`s lost everything he possesses, his home, bussiness & family, no wonder he went off the rails. He`s currently being treated for a gunshot wound, the police wouldn`t of killed him, they want him to stand trial for his mistakes. He shouldn`t of shot that police chap, that was wrong but he hasn`t been thinking straight, he`s lost it & his minds not his own.
PUT YOURSELVES IN HIS SITUATION!!! Try to think before you judge someone you don`t know.
To be honest I am, he would have only served a huge prision sentance at the cost of tax payers. Punishment suits the crime really.
The ones I feel for are his Kids, other family members, friends and especially the family of the police officer shot, the man who lost his life and the ex who was shot twice.
I have absolutely NO sympathy for Moat, to say his head had gone when he committed these dreadful crimes over numerous days is crap, he wasn't on Auto-Pilot, he had the mind to leave messages, decide his next move and make judgments, that's anger and not someone who has lost the plot.
What is incredible is that even though it wont cost us a trial and the cost of keeping him in a cell for life, we will still lose thousands in money for the IPCC to complete a report that will state, HE COMMITTED SUICIDE, The police made some mistakes which we hope will not be made again.
Going on to the IPCC what a load of bollocks that is, who made a complaint ? I know all police controversial matters are referred but why ? What do we ever learn apart from that they cost thousands of pounds. Should be called a review committee, how can someone complain when a nutter shoots himself ?
I am just relieved that no more innocent members of the public were hurt or worse by the idiot and the only respectful he done was take his own life, there never was any need for a trial so the families can have closure as everyone knows who done it.
I said I know that all things about police like that are looked at by the IPCC, what I was saying was is that I think it's a load af bollocks and a waste of money, we know what happened and with it having the word complaint in it implies that someone has complained.
Whats wrong with having a panel of 3 people, an ex police officer, a solicitor and a member of the public to review things to see if if procedures where followed correctly, they could the recommend things they feel could have been done better.
Without actual footage from an officer on scene I would not belive anything that is said to me. So much stuff is blagged these days and people can be paid off or threatend.
Wheels I agree with that, still believe it is a complete waste of money the IPCC, I do believe that Moat took his own life whether that's him doing the right thing or being a coward I don't care.
what I was saying was is that I think it's a load af bollocks and a waste of money, we know what happened
Do we?
I wasn't there, so I don't know if they had an officer there who had just had enough of the rain and the wait and pulled the trigger so he could get it over with and go home for a pint!
This time maybe, perhaps just maybe, it doesn't really matter, the outcome serves the public purse.
But maybe next time he's pissed off with the wait in the rain for an armed person to put down his weapon the person mightn't have shot anyone and just be threatenning suicide for whatever reason!
Thats a bit like saying, I wasn't there when the Queen mum died so is it true, I wasn't there when the car crashed so did it.
Weird, he was nutter, most people presumed he would either take his own life or the american way of death by cop.
Do people really feel this needs looking at by the IPCC ?
Surely a complaints commission should deal with complaints and that is my main point. The rest I have said over and over again so in short.
1) I have sympathy for innocent people caught up and affected. 2) The idiot is dead and that saves us money. 3) This ran and ran for a week so he had time to think what his next move would be, he knew he needed food, to hide, to set up a camp so I DO NOT believe he had lost his mind. 4) No more money should be wasted on this idiot, there is no point.
Do people really feel this needs looking at by the IPCC ?
I think its (voluntarily) going to the IPCC because the police were formally warned of his intentions when he left prison but it still wasn't prevented.
I get the feeling that there are some hefty claims lurking in the background
Yep, again costing us even more money. Get some back and save on lions food at the nearest zoo, just through his torso in and save a bit that way I say.
A man has been arrested on suspicion of firearms offences in connection with the Raoul Moat investigation, police said.
The man, 23, who has not been charged, is the 16th person to be arrested in connection with the case. It follows the arrests of five men last week.
Two men, aged 28 and 36, were arrested in the Newcastle area on suspicion of assisting an offender, on Thursday. They were later released on police bail, pending further inquiries.
Northumbria Police arrested three men, aged 27, 34 and 45, at two addresses in Newcastle and one in Wallsend, on the same charges on Wednesday. They have also been bailed.
So far only two people have been charged in relation to the inquiry.
Karl Ness and Qhuram Awan appeared at Newcastle Magistrates' Court on July 8 charged with conspiracy to commit murder and possessing a firearm with intent.
Ness, 26, from Dudley in North Tyneside, and Awan, 23, from Blyth in Northumberland, were remanded in custody to appear before Newcastle Crown Court later this month.
haway he was shot by the police no mistaken that one. (they used illegal tasers (proven) and told the media to back off while they done it! I was awake all night watching it and I live a few hundred yards from Newcastle General were he was taken afterwards. the 'live shooting' was in Rothbury but it only took them 10 mins to go past my house (escorted too) but 5/10 mins before the 'live' footage was aired. It screams a cover up!! And for those who disagree, he shot the copper (P.C Rothband) at the top of my street.