A new scheme is going to be introduced with a third bin in Wirral for food waste.
The food bin will be collected every week, however it is undecided yet as to whether the Green bin will be collected two-weekly or three-weekly. Presumably the Grey bin periodicity will also be under revue.
It is acknowledged that Wirral's recycling rate has dropped because of the charge for Brown bin collection. The fix would seem obvious to most people - but not Wirral council!
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I think its a good idea for those living alone or not generating too much waste. I could safely leave my green coloured bin for six weeks before it was full.
I think its a good idea for those living alone or not generating too much waste. I could safely leave my green coloured bin for six weeks before it was full.
Yes for a singly its not difficult at all, but unfortunately for many families it is already a struggle.
It seems obvious to me that bin collections should be related to the number of people in the household - I always thought that poll tax was a fairer system but the media decided differently.
I think it's a good idea.I have a small bin with a lid that I keep by the sink for waste food,got it for the reason my dog is a food thief & could get in the kitchen bin,so that would not be a problem for me plus the fact the food waste would be collected every week which would be better in the hot summer months when the green bin can become smelly & maggots appear
I can remember when we had a little galvanized bin for food waste.
A man came round and collected it for pig swill.
The probability is that the recyclable waste will continue fortnightly and household waste will move to three weekly or maybe even monthly, this would not be for our benefit just solely to balance the cost of refuse collection, the argument being that there would be a lot less household waste in the green bin, or so the muppets at the council will say to justify the cut in collections.
While they say 40% of the waste is food, this is by weight not by volume so it will make little difference to how much extra space will be released.
I also doubt 40% is an average, many people waste a lot less than that so to obtain that figure there would need to many over 40% as well.
When you are living in an old terraced property where are you supposed to be stowing all these bins? Around here a lot of the residents put them out in the entry but that means magpies, rats and loads of rubbish at the back. It's a nightmare.
Most of our waste is packaging material, much of it unnecessary.
Hopefully three weekly collections will feed back to the supermarkets who are responsible for most of it. A 'Low packaging' supermarket would make excellent sense to me, not only because it relieves the bin problem, but because it would greatly reduce the cost of the item.
It is by no means unusual for the packaging to be more expensive than the items they are used for.
Most of our waste is packaging material, much of it unnecessary.
Larger companies are under various regulations and guidelines to reduce packaging especially non-recyclable packaging, that's why cornflake packets are no longer as good as they were to make gaskets or pack out door hinges.
Most companies tell you what wonderful things they have do to reduce packing to try and take the praise but its not until regulations were brought in that forced their hand. Strangely, reducing the cost of packaging didn't seem to be a priority?
An unwanted by-product of regulation is manufacturers do the bare minimum and hold back on known improvements they can make in case new regulations ask for even more savings in the future (always keep some in reserve just in case culture).
Perhaps banning the sale of bottled water in supermarkets would be a good start for regulation. It is quite unnecessary, and - being unchlorinated - more likely to contain harmful bacteria than what comes through your tap.
It plays on the irrational fears of gullible folk to extract cash from them. And it is HEAVY, and likely to cause more damage to your back in lugging it about than any believed benefits it may confer.
And it is HEAVY, and likely to cause more damage to your back in lugging it about than any believed benefits it may confer.
You're not suggesting people go out and about without carrying water?
I think this could be good if everybody sticks to it and does it right. It is apparently going to be made into fuel for buses etc which is better for environment. That's the food waste I mean. I'm pretty hot on my recycling and think the grey bin has been a success and this could be too but it does have to be done by everybody to work, would hate food all over roads etc. Its going to be a small bin in kitchen then a bigger one with lock to put it in. It won't be as big as grey and green ones I think. This would free up room in green and as long as no food in would be OK every 3 weeks. It's not a done deal yet as according to interview a lady gave on radio they still looking into it.
I don't waste much food, in fact if I want to buy something extra-smelly e.g. smoked mackerel I'll do it shortly before the green bin collection is due! I used to know a woman who bagged her food leftovers and put them in the freezer, bringing them out just before bin day. Careful labelling would be essential in such a scenario, I guess! The aspect of this idea that squicks me out is disposal of things with hygiene issues like disposable nappies, incontinence pads etc. They are going to be sooo ripe, if the green bin collection goes to three weeks... eugh...
If this comes into force, i will flush any food waste, they can catch it at the other end.
I wonder how long it is before big fines for getting it wrong. And then i feel for the old people out there who just get confused.
Freezing the old chicken carcass before bin day is more practical than you think, stops the maggots.
I just remember when we used to think we were doing the council a favour when the brown bins came along, only for it to be taken away or charging for it. You just don't know where you are with the council.
Perhaps banning the sale of bottled water in supermarkets would be a good start for regulation. It is quite unnecessary, and - being unchlorinated - more likely to contain harmful bacteria than what comes through your tap.
Sorry but that's rubbish.
1) Bottled water on sale is a good, healthy alternative to fizzy pop.
As a nation we now drink more bottled water than fruit juices/nectars, wine or spirits. The long term growth in bottled water consumption is testament, perhaps, to the now ubiquitous acceptance of the advice to drink eight glasses of water a day for optimum health.
2) Most bottles of water sold are small 500ml bottles, consumed while out, so what's that got to do with home wheelie bin collections.
3) It doesn't need to be chlorinated.
4) There's more germs on the end of your tap than the water source of a bottling factory.
Sorry, but not having read all these replies I may be forgiven for repeating any other points of view.
Firstly, if it a weekly collection,
a) how big is the bin likely to be. Half size maybe ?
b) I assume food will be strictly food and not contained in plastic bags ?
c) with that in mind, will the council be sending 'bin cleaners' around, 'FREE OF CHARGE'.
d) If it's small enough to put in our bath to clean it, then in that case, is it likely to blow away with a gust of wind here on Windy Wirral ? The big ones regularly end up in the road, after left at the edge of the kerb on a windy day.
e) the black bins used to bio-degrade some of our garden waste and fruit/vege as instructed by the council. £15 each they cost and all it did was feed the rats. F-ing big fat ones in their winter coats. Another good idea ill thought out for the average household.
f) If they are finding finances a struggle now, why on earth are they going to spend more on unnecessary refuse collections.
I think we should all demand a FREE BIN CLEANING SERVICE to accompany a food only bin. My lord. the stench on a hot day !! The flies and blue bottles. It's taking me back to the back streets of Athens where wild dogs congregate, or the markets in Istanbul. In fact, I think they had cleaner habits due to living in hot countries. Who , in their right mind would store used food unwrapped, in a container for a week without being forced to ??
From what I gather when I heard them talking you will get a small bin Granny with a bag put anything food in it even eggshells banana skins etc tie up securely and place in another bin,they provide which will be emptied weekly.
Perhaps banning the sale of bottled water in supermarkets would be a good start for regulation. It is quite unnecessary, and - being unchlorinated - more likely to contain harmful bacteria than what comes through your tap.
Sorry but that's rubbish.
1) Bottled water on sale is a good, healthy alternative to fizzy pop.
As a nation we now drink more bottled water than fruit juices/nectars, wine or spirits. The long term growth in bottled water consumption is testament, perhaps, to the now ubiquitous acceptance of the advice to drink eight glasses of water a day for optimum health.
2) Most bottles of water sold are small 500ml bottles, consumed while out, so what's that got to do with home wheelie bin collections.
3) It doesn't need to be chlorinated.
4) There's more germs on the end of your tap than the water source of a bottling factory.
What did we do before we had bottled water ? We had glass bottles, and we took our glass bottle back to the shop . Each bottle had 3d return given. What did we do with our food waste before we had plastic ? We wrapped it in newspapers and put it in the bin. All bio-degradable. What did we do with our old clothes or furniture etc. ? A rag and bone man would come around the street calling 'any ol iron' etc. We would give those things to him. Milk was delivered in (Glass) bottles, fruit/vege and meat , delivered by the butcher the baker the candlestick maker. = no plastic bags, less petrol. The 'pop' man would call, or Corona man as he became later.. He would collect the bottles the next week. We had little flasks we would syphon drinks into, whether it be water /juice or whatever. They went everywhere with us. That could still be the case , if most weren't so bloody lazy. We are living in a consumers society, and unfortunately it brings all the problems with it. We are all guilty but quite simply, I think the plastic bottles are dreadful and all the plastic packaging on foods too. Apart from disposal, they are a pain to open and seem to be getting more burglar proof.
From what I gather when I heard them talking you will get a small bin Granny with a bag put anything food in it even eggshells banana skins etc tie up securely and place in another bin, they provide which will be emptied weekly.
Thanks Cools. Looks as if we will end up with about 8, like they have in N.Wales. All different shapes and sizes. Let's see the size and colour of the bin. I just love to see all these bins lined up in Harrowby Road ! It gives such a colourful, ethereal feel about the area and so explicit to any visitors to the area. Of course, it's not only Harrowby Road, is it ? It's all the roads where councillors ,local politicians, and officials,
don't live. Then they wonder why these kids living in a 'new age ghetto', behave badly and have social issues. Stop blaming the parents and look at it through a different lense.
Who wants to live in a street full of bins ?? Would you, Mr Mayor ?
I agree with you Granny. Life seemed a lot less complicated then we also had open fires which we could burn a lot of waste on. Newspapers had so many uses. I always say, eventually something will happen and things will have to go back to where we were making use of every little thing.
Here are the little bins that are being talked about regarding food waste.
Sorry didn't mean to put two pics up.
So is that supposed to be 40% of a green bin size
Yes I've got to agree they do look rather small and then they are saying we may get a smaller green bin size . I think they should leave the green bin the way it is after all it will only be emptied every three weeks.
And when you forget its bin day for what ever reason, 3 weeks become 6wks. Does our Council tax not pay for a reasonable bin cover??
Or will we get a rebate as there are clearly saying that it will be converted into energy. Just like the free brown bin sarga.
I always say, eventually something will happen and things will have to go back to where we were making use of every little thing.
Erm, do you not have any idea of the concept of recycling? That's why we have so many bins!
And when you forget its bin day for what ever reason, 3 weeks become 6wks. Does our Council tax not pay for a reasonable bin cover??
Maybe you forgot that the government offered money to councils to reinstate weekly bin collections:
Councils shun cash to reinstate weekly bin collectionshttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jul/06/council-cash-weekly-bin-collection
This gets worse, its being narrowed down to two options....
Option 1 Reduces the size of the Green bins but collects them fortnightly.
Option 2 Keeps the Green bin the same size but collects 3 weekly.
The decision is being made on Friday.
Why does the size of the bin have a relation to frequency of collection?
Why does the size of the bin have a relation to frequency of collection?
Suppose tbey think smaller bin fills quicker. More to do with size of family. 5 adults in our house and both bins full in 2 weeks.
I am sure council experts can come up with the answer.....how about drones and we can fly stuff daily to the tip.
Why does the size of the bin have a relation to frequency of collection?
The council are trying to reduce costs, the green bins go to landfill which they have to pay landfill tax on according to weight.
Reducing your green bin capacity by frequency of collection or size they hope the users will attempt to create less rubbish.
The official council version is that 40% of green bin is food waste, as there is a new bin for this you will need less green bin capacity.
The 40% figure is complete fiction of course!
Council seem to have u-turned on this, thank goodness!
I'm a bit confused by the second to last paragraph
“I keep reading misleading information being circulated that the council in Wirral is going to reduce the frequency of its household waste collections to three-weekly. That is completely and utterly incorrect,†added Cllr Brightmore.