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Posted By: Excoriator Mersey Crossing - 10th Oct 2015 1:44pm
Some weeks back, returning from Liverpool via the old tunnel one evening, we noticed a lonely walker on the other side of the tunnel, on the carriageway, trailing a suitcase and heading for Birkenhead. He had almost reached the Dock exit when we saw him.

I imagine he was a stranger who perhaps didn't speak too much English and had seen a sign for Birkenhead at the tunnel entrance. To be fair to him, I don't think there's a sign saying 'No Pedestrians' but I could be wrong there.

Presumably the cops would have spotted him on CCTV and picked him up shortly after. It was certainly a dangerous thing to do. I hope he survived unscathed.
Posted By: Salmon Re: Mersey Crossing - 10th Oct 2015 3:23pm
Seems he is not alone!
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/more-800-mersey-tunnel-walkers-7012919
Posted By: chriskay Re: Mersey Crossing - 10th Oct 2015 3:29pm
And from that link, there is also a problem with drug dealers on bicycles. grin

Quote: " Cyclists also cause problems for the tunnels operators, with some attempting to peddle under the Mersey."
Posted By: Dilly Re: Mersey Crossing - 10th Oct 2015 3:38pm
Maybe he was a lost asylum seeker and thought it was the Channel tunnel smile
Posted By: fish5133 Re: Mersey Crossing - 10th Oct 2015 3:50pm
Occasionally my son has to open up a shop in city centre to take a delivery but I have to drive him over to Liverpool for 5am because no public transport through the tunnel at that time. Not going to pay £25 taxi fayre.. The old tunnel had a bit of a guarded walkway but they have taken the guard rails down.

Sideline for tunnel police giving lifts through after public transport stopped
Posted By: philmch Re: Mersey Crossing - 10th Oct 2015 4:13pm
Back in the 1980s, one of my mates attempted just that. Stuck over the river, drunk and penniless he made his way into the tunnel. Police picked him up, took him back to Liverpool, and he spent the night in a cell. It was Christmas Eve btw.
Posted By: Excoriator Re: Mersey Crossing - 11th Oct 2015 11:17am
Well, I am surprised it happens that often. Although I think the 'immediate' despatch of a police car bit is somewhat exaggerated. The chap I saw had clearly entered at the Liverpool city centre and was nearly at the dock entrance. He'd obviously walked the length of Dale St and probably a bit of water street too by then without anyone coming to pick him up! Perhaps they had laid bets as to how far he'd get!

But I expect he arrived at Lime St. and walked out of the station and down the hill to the tunnel entrance. If you don't know the city its a natural thing to do I suppose and seeing a tunnel with a sign saying 'To Birkenhead' You take it, marvelling at how the locals accept such a risky way of travelling.

I have even seen more dangerous practices there though. On one occasion some lunatic was swapping lanes at high speed - he changed lanes to overtake me, but shortly after, swerved briefly into the OPPOSITE carriageway to overtake someone. He got away with it too, but not for long. There was a welcoming committee of grim faced Birkenhead police interviewing him at the exit when I left!
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: Mersey Crossing - 11th Oct 2015 12:07pm
Its a pity there isn't a walkway under the tunnel for pedestrians, I'd pay to use it.
Posted By: venice Re: Mersey Crossing - 11th Oct 2015 12:20pm
And Id pay NOT to lol. The thought of being underground for that long fills me with horror!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Mersey Crossing - 11th Oct 2015 12:41pm
I only recently discovered that there is a pedestrian tunnel under the Clyde. The road tunnels are the same as our Wallasey tunnels ie. twin bore two lane jobs. Directly under the roadways (North and South) are well lit pedestrian and cycle tracks. It takes about 12mins to walk from one side to the other. Shorter and thus more steeply graded than the Mersey Tunnels. Double security barriers with intercom/buzzer release to let you in AND out !! (Think Airlock!) Free of charge. After a recent refurb. they are brightly lit and free of graffiti and litter.

With all the services under the B'head tunnel, it's not really possible to do that now. Maybe the Wallasey bores, but not that handy to get to after a night on the bevvy in the city centre grin
Posted By: starakita Re: Mersey Crossing - 11th Oct 2015 12:46pm
It doesn't take that long to walk through the Birkenhead tunnel even with three small kids in tow,think it took less than an hour.before anyone starts panicking about walking in the tunnel with the kids it was one of those special event things.
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: Mersey Crossing - 11th Oct 2015 3:43pm
Originally Posted by Pinzgauer
With all the services under the B'head tunnel, it's not really possible to do that now. Maybe the Wallasey bores, but not that handy to get to after a night on the bevvy in the city centre grin


Its a well repeated myth that its chocker, there is loads of space and walkways are already there for escape from the refuges.

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Posted By: Mark Re: Mersey Crossing - 11th Oct 2015 3:57pm
Under the River Tyne there is a walking cycling tunnel in its own right.

They were closed for a year to replace the escalators

Posted By: Softy_Southerner Re: Mersey Crossing - 11th Oct 2015 4:42pm
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by Pinzgauer
With all the services under the B'head tunnel, it's not really possible to do that now. Maybe the Wallasey bores, but not that handy to get to after a night on the bevvy in the city centre grin


Its a well repeated myth that its chocker, there is loads of space and walkways are already there for escape from the refuges.

[Linked Image]



I keep saying I'm going to do that tour again sometime
Posted By: fish5133 Re: Mersey Crossing - 11th Oct 2015 5:07pm
used to get wheeled in a pushchair in the 60s under the Thames in London. Near Greenwich Woolwich or sometimes take the Woolwich ferry ...just like crossing the Mersey.
Posted By: DavidB Re: Mersey Crossing - 11th Oct 2015 6:22pm
Wear a fluorescent jacket, helmet and a clipboard.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Mersey Crossing - 12th Oct 2015 7:28am
I don't think this will ever happen.
Posted By: Excoriator Re: Mersey Crossing - 13th Oct 2015 11:11am
The original idea was to run trams under the road deck. The trouble with a walkway this length is policing it. It would rapidly become a drug dealers/mugger's paradise.

You have to ask, too, how many people want to go from the centre of Birkenhead to the centre of Liverpool and back. I think most of the cars going through the old tunnel are bound for the outskirts of Birkenhead or even further via the A41. The new tunnel is largely motorway traffic.
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: Mersey Crossing - 13th Oct 2015 12:53pm
Originally Posted by Excoriator
I think most of the cars going through the old tunnel are bound for the outskirts of Birkenhead or even further via the A41. The new tunnel is largely motorway traffic.


Have you seen the queues coming in from Wallasey in the mornings, there are many disgruntled drivers that would disagree with you.

Yes, policing would be a problem but some sort of pre-registration (ID) and/or pre-payment scheme could help towards that. It works in other places and while we are the centre of the universe there is no reason it couldn't be made to work here.
Posted By: Gibbo Re: Mersey Crossing - 19th Oct 2015 10:01am
Originally Posted by Pinzgauer
I only recently discovered that there is a pedestrian tunnel under the Clyde.


One under the Tyne too:

http://www.tynepedestrianandcyclisttunnels.co.uk/

With a nice free service while work is going on:

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For those who rely on the tunnels to travel for work outside of the shuttle bus hours and who have no alternative means of crossing the river, a free, night service is being provided for registered pedestrians and cyclists, with pick-ups on the South at Tyne Street, Jarrow and on the North at Tyne View Terrace, Howdon.
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