http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31495081


A man from Liverpool has been charged with attempting to obtain a chemical weapon, police have said.

Mohammed Ammer Ali, 31, is due to appear at Westminster Magistrates' Court in central London on Tuesday.

He was arrested on Wednesday, when officers from North West Counter Terrorism Unit and Merseyside Police searched five Merseyside addresses.

Officers have uncovered no plan or threat of an imminent attack either at home or abroad, police said.

The suspect is accused of attempting to have a chemical weapon in his possession between January 10 and February 12, contrary to the Criminal Attempts Act 1981 and the Chemical Weapons Act 1996.

notice the names are never peter kevin or dave who partake in these grotesque grimes,i knew his name was going to be something like this,i have no time for Muslims period

I have no time for biggots period.

They're not all like that mate.

He does have a point on that one though!

It's a very small minority that partake in these sorts of crimes. Others turn to this kind of crime because of attitudes like yours (no offence).

There is a stereo type for good reason, you rarely get women rapists or women child sex offenders, i can't stand the political correctness bull crap such as me getting stopped and random explosives swabs at an airport, I do not fall in to the criteria of suicide plane hi jacker.... I'm getting on a plan with my wife and kids!

It's like checking all women's computers for child porn, you wouldn't do it. It doesn't make sense.

some converts to Islamic faith tend to take on a new name for different reasons, could be their original name has a meaning in Arabic, could be that they want to mark the change point in their lives, so will have a name that wont fit in with a western slant from that time on, think Cat Stevens, Cassius Clay and so on. This would mean extremists less likely to be called dave or John.

wait till they all turn on us,hate this Muslim crap rammed up my backside every day,you want to live hear you abide by are bloody rules otherwise do one,this is not the uk anymore its a sh@t hole,teresa may needs sacking

These terrorists are not ‘real’ Muslims. In fact, they slaughter Muslims as much if not more than they slaughter everyone else.

So forget all the garbage about these lunatics representing Muslims. They don’t.

They represent a small faction of fanatical extremists who have hijacked Islam to justify their nefarious trade in terror, and grotesquely and deliberately distorted the meaning of the Qur’an for the same purpose.
They can chant ‘God is great’ all they like, but their currency is death and destruction not genuine religious ideology.

[qu
ote=GeeMeister]I have no time for biggots period. [/quote]

blind people like will bring this country to its knees,keep your insults to yourself clown

I agree with Near Oval, a concise and informative reply without a bun fight.I would put a "Yea That!" up, if I knew how.I would like Mark to think about adding a star system or like to the board at some stage.Quite often all you want to say has been said and a simple agreement is all that s required.
I am a bigot, when it comes to making bombs,beating people up and messing with kids. I am sure in this context you are a bigot also.

quote joe "i have no time for Muslims period"

Just add one word Joe , and Im with you!

I have no time for terrorist muslims , period.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. The twin towers taught me all I need to know about Islam.

The twin towers?
Whatever mate.

There's more white trash causing this country to go to ruin, open your eyes and stop blaming Muslims.

a bigot is a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. The operative word be unfairly.

I have no problem with the idea of disliking the idiots who participate in hatred or acts of violence but to class all muslims the same is idiotic. That does not make me a clown. Britain has always been a mongrel country and is richer for it.

All terrorists are muslims ? Obviously you have forgotten about Northern Ireland.

No Dill I haven't forgotten about the various Irish paramilitary factions, or indeed any other historic terrorist groups, but the mantle of modern day terrorist sits squarely on the murderous barbarian shoulders of Islam.

I still don't think that you can make a blanket statement that all terrorists are muslim.

Here's a few non-muslim terrorist groups

Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias De Colombia
Epanastatikos Agonas
Euskadi Ta Askatasuna
Sendero Luminoso
Real Irish Republican Army
Ulster Defense Association
New People’s Army
Aum Shinrikyo
Lord’s Resistance Army

The following graphic is terrorism on US territories 1980-2005, only 6% were carried out by muslims.

Hi D.D., I was expecting a reaction from the Muslim apologists, but I do think that you're scraping the barrel a bit there old chap.

I'd be interested to know what a "Muslim Apologist" is, please enlighten me.

Google is your friend.!

you can if you're an ignorant racist

Fascinating pie chart (although its source is undisclosed, which makes it quite worthless, IMNSHO). Someone must have a very er, 'elastic' definition of terrorism to have come up with THAT graphic.
I notice it claims that more terrorist attacks have been committed on US territories by Jews than by "Islamic Extremists". If anyone seriously believes that, then you'd better add "anti-Semitism" to "ignorant racist".

Hello Mr hanky, Thanks for that, but as I don't consider my racial group to be superior to any other racial group I really don't think I'm racist, what I am however is a realist who can see that if British people continue to be terrified of offending Muslims in case they are labelled racist, this country will be heading towards being governed by sharia law, which is exactly the Muslims intention according to the Koran. This great country of ours may eventually lose it's identity and values, but please don't let it be by appeasing a barbaric medieval religion for the sake of political correctness.

a realist who says 'all terrorists are muslims' ...off to scratch my head...

Scratch it while you still have it Mr Hank.

glad some people can see whats coming

"shock and awe" is the US term for terrorism

Yeah, right on Fish, just like D-Day, where US terrorists joined with all the other Allied terrorists to persecute people whose only crime was having a German-sounding name.

let me guess...you read the mail?

No Mr Hanky, I watched the very unpleasant video of the twelve innocent and blameless Coptic Christians being beheaded on the beach and then having their severed heads placed on their lifeless torsos. Perhaps it would serve you well to do the same.

Don't remember the Iraqi people invading Europe and camping on the French shores waiting to invade our sceptred isle. The Germans had real weapons--not some imaginary chemical weapons that could be deployed in 40 minutes (or however long it was) .
Perhaps we should follow the advice of an American nut job in the shape of John Hagee and launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran--just in case.
IS and their like are a bunch of sadistic nutters with warped ideology but they don't have a monopoly on it.

yeah, after all the more people that watch their videos the more they will do. simple as.

No-one said the Iraqi people were doing anything of the kind. It was a simile.
I rather suspect that ISIS does actually have some real weapons. And Iran is not that far off from having nuclear capability.
But you can carry on pretending that the USA is the problem, if you like.

You should stay off bestgore, you clearly can't handle the videos on there, can't be live leak as they stopped showing beheadings about 2 months ago.

Mmmmmmmm some very interesting views behind aired

I find is sick someone would want to watch such videos anyway, I wouldn't sleep at night

And the last post should say

Mmmmmmmmm some interesting views being aired

These terrorists are not ‘real’ Muslims, ask any Imam.

Muslims Against Terrorism

Introduction
Over the past several decades, some persons of Arabian descent who claimed to be Muslims have committed terrorist acts against the United States. Those events, plus conflicts in the Middle East, media labeling terrorists as Muslims, the Taliban's treatment of women, and a history of conflict between Christians and Muslims, have created a number of myths.

The most dangerous myth is that Islam condones terrorism. Another myth is that Muslims are mostly Arabians. A third myth is that in Islamic teachings, men are allowed to terrorize women. A fourth myth is that Islamic teachings allow a government to force everyone to be Muslims.

Islam and Terrorism
Islam prohibits terrorism. Islam prohibits a Muslim from attacking innocent civilians. (Al-Islam)

"Islam does not support terrorism under any circumstances. Terrorism goes against every principle in Islam. If a Muslim engages in terrorism, he is not following Islam. He may be wrongly using the name of Islam for political or financial gain." (USA Today)

"Muslims throughout their history never allowed the killing of civilians, even in the midst of wars such as the Crusades. There is no respected Islamic scholar here in Saudi Arabia or anywhere else in the Muslim world who would support such a fatwa." (The Guardian - Khashoggi)

Hamza Yusuf, an Islamic scholar, has made several comments about Islam and terrorism. "The Prophet Muhammad said, 'Do not kill women or children or non-combatants and do not kill old people or religious people....'"

"Suicide is haram in Islam. It's prohibited, like a mortal sin. And murder is haram. And to kill civilians is murder."

"The Prophet also said that there are people who kill in the name of Islam and go to hell. And when he was asked why, he said, 'Because they weren't fighting truly for the sake of God.'

Muslims Against Terrorism requests media not use phrases such as "Islamic Fundamentalists" or "Muslim Terrorists" regarding terrorist attacks "Because such things do not exist. Islam is the religion of peace, love and mutual respect. Islam is the religion of moderation. Islam is the religion of human value and dignity." They ask that religious affiliation not be mentioned in terrorist attacks.

Editor's Note - Terrorists associated with the September 11th disaster could be called "al Qaeda Terrorists" since their involvement has been proven according to US, British, and Pakistani officials. When the Ku Klux Klan claimed credit for terrorist attacks in the 1960's, they were not identified by religion as "Christian Fundamentalists" or "Christian Terrorists." Although they identified themselves as a Christian movement, media never labeled them as Christians because their terrorism was regarded as a basic violation of Christian principles. We owe the same respect to the Muslim religion. (Pronounce al Qaeda as "Al Ka-e-dah.") (Muslims Against Terrorism)

Great news folks,thanks to the insightful comments made by some Wikiwirralites,I have had a road to Damascus moment,I can now see how silly my views have been and I now realise that these nice Muslim folks are just like us but wear funny clothes.I'm sorry if my previously held beliefs offended anybody and to prove I'm sincere I've changed my name. Yours in faith Ahmed Amist Ake.

they have brain washed you as well peter j,i no for a fact all Muslims are to look down on us or anyone that dose not believe what they do,how i no this i used to go to leeds and brighouse every day for work met loads of Pakistani lads and girls they told me its drummed into them from birth,but do not believe in all this rubbish and moved out of the family home just to get on with there lives,some said the world would be a better place without all this allah crap,fact

No not brain washed, am just not a racist

Very interesting comment, however all Germans were'nt Nazis but as a people they all went along with what was being done in their name,these terrorists operate within their own community, the same as the child groomers, someone must have known what was going on within that community, but they all look after their own, Muslim first and foremost, imagine the outcry from the muslim community if parts of the Christian Church advocated violence against the Muslim community, it only recently there has been limited response from some of their representatives condenming whats been going on, and in my opinion that is only because they fear a backlash agianst their community.

All faiths have their problem's, our churches have a massive child abuse history but that's not to say everyone who attends them is a child abuser.

I'm not either the people i was talking about where friends of mine

As this topic has moved on quite a bit ,which is a good thing for discussions, let me ask....

If the horrific happenings going on in those places controlled by ISIS now, should start happening here (and without a shadow of doubt, it certainly could, we don't have a Winston Churchill type leader any longer) then the distant problems actually become a lot closer and real to us. How many of you are likely to convert to Islam, as required, to avoid being de-capitated ? Think about that hard before answering, it is a very real threat.

Being anti-Muslim is not being racist Pete. Seldom did we speak about Muslim as one body of different cultures, we would refer to them by their nationality. Who knew, thirty years ago or forty years ago, anything about Muslims or Islam ? People following a religion were left in peace to get on with their lives without government interference.
This is different. It's an offshoot of Islam and I personally believe that this culture of hate toward Muslims has been originally nurtured from within the political movements, but it's backfired.

The words "Islamic Fundamentalists" or "Muslim Terrorists" I think can go back to our wonderful Western leaders Bush and Blair, not the general public of European countries who are now being told to hold their tongues and think nice things. As Casper says, the Nazis were guilty but the ordinary chap in the street was forced to follow their leader and yes I also believe the Muslim communities are fearful of a backlash. Bush and Blair governments have created this anti-religious war between them, and like all cowards, will never admit to it.
They ordered the attacks and killed innocent Muslims, support Israel and maybe this law from the Quran now comes into play :
"Combat is only ordered against those who are attacking or killing the innocent Muslims or fighting against the established Muslim state."

So there is obviously a code of practice for self defence in the Quran, now being taken to extremes by ruthless minds. Those Isis perpetrators are evil but obviously gathering pace and support.

Egypt has eventually come out of the closet, and their plea for support in Libya seems to now be falling on deaf ears. We start things and interfere in areas we know nothing about,thus causing misery in a country and to humanity.

In reality, we could well be next.

Israel leader is calling for Jews to return to Israel....that, of course is prophesised in the Old Testament. Also prophesised that a Russian coalition, mainly of Muslim nations will invade Israel!

One of your comments intrigues me granny, a Muslim state, a very correct statement, not so much a religion but a state, Islam, now that conjures up a terrifying prospect, if they are so proud of their religion or in what they believe why do they seek to disguise their motives or have a get out of jail card in the interpritation of the Quoran? criticising Allah can bring on jihad and condemn you to death, that is outrageous by any standards.

Hi Granny, i very often read your comments and find them insightful but on this occassion i feel i have to correct a couple of comments. Firstly, Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. This has been defined as racism. And secondly you state that the problems found elsewhere will undoubtedly happen here, I cannot perceive that to be correct because the UK has no more than 5% of Muslims living here and only a very small amount of them are involved in hatred. Its like saying all football supporters are thugs - it does not equate. Nor would the other 95% let it happen.

Geemeister, In my mind racism is still pertaining to nationality as opposed to religion, but I'm sure your point is correct. With globalisation the concept has changed and when we would speak about people from Turkey, they were referred to as Turks, Egypt.. Egyptians, Iraq.. Iraqis, Libya.. Libyans,etc., now in the West the people are most often seen and referred to a Muslims. There is 'activist Islam' and 'political Islam', who are also known as 'militant Islam'
Where following any religion was once conceived to be spirituality, the dynamics have changed considerably.
I will say, prior to 9/11 and going back to 1997/8,nationwide enquiries were regularly (weekly) coming from Iraq about transport systems, railway links, industry etc. and maps of our cities and towns requested. That has always made me wonder why. Supposedly students doing research ! You also know that there have been various attempts at terrorist acts which have failed in this country. Many of which we know nothing of, I'm sure. I think the warning that the Egyptian Prime Minister gave this week about only being 200 miles between Libya and Europe with the imminent prospect of thousands of Isis supporters setting sail, is not too far from the truth. They also know much more, as they could fly a sortie to bomb Isis training grounds and camps etc. in Libya the other night.
We should never sit back and think it won't happen here. Complacency, has been the downfall of many !

The protracted armed struggle between military armed forces and Islamic groups in Egypt from 1970 to the mid 1990,s resulted in the exile of many Islamic atavists to Europe and the Americas, and led the way for many others to join the Afghan jihad.(I presume we took them in as asylum seekers). Anwar El-Saddat was assassinated for the 1979 peace treaty he made with Israel among other things.He also broke off relations with the Russians in the 1970s. To say it is about time the Egyptians got off the fence does them an injustice.

I, for one is disgusted at the racist and bigoted views within this thread. Will offer no further comment after this:

Geemeister,the definition of islamphobia is not as clearly defined as you state, academics are not in ageement over a clear definition, many say that there is a genuine fear or misunderstanding of Islam and therefore to stick the label of being predudiced or having a hatred of or racism is unfair,I read in one article that unlike other EU countries most predudices in the UK are about the preferential treatment that Muslims receive from government agencies and in workplaces, you also state that only a small amount of them are involved in hatred how do you know this? this alleged small amount has been bubbling beneath the surface for years instilling hate and fear into its youth peaching its hate against the Kafir, now there's a word that oozes hate, predudice and racism, oops sorry not allowed to say that are we ?

Bar-room politics is a wonderful thing as is the right to have an opinion. I think at this stage I will follow Rudeboxs' example and, for the same reasons, bow out of further comments. I am not complacent, burying my head in the sand, brainwashed etc. I just treat people as individuals and give each the respect that they deserve. Peace and goodwill to all that deserve it.

I think we all do that Geemeister on a personal basis, but the difference here is that we are talking about terrorists, extremists, Jihad, Isis or whatever one wishes to refer to the perpetrators committing the atrocities against humanity and their own.

Nobody is being bigoted or racist, other than discussing the issue of the possible threat to Europe by those mentioned above, and how history is repeating itself in a slightly different way. Beheading their own be they Muslims or Christians in my opinion, is no different from gassing Jews.





Rude, I fail to see why you even made that post, other than attempting to raise a rapid response !

I find nothing offensive in anything that has been expressed in any of the posts.I have stepped up to the plate a few times to defend and demonstrate on behalf of people to have the same rights as me, free speech being one of them.This is a free country for all and long may it be so.Even for Alex McFadden TUC area organiser to demonstrate with his placard against our troops coming home, it made me baulk a bit but hey.

exactly.

I've had dealings with alex McFadden in the past.As far as I am concerned he is so far up his own a***hole he upset my staff!

Hagar, did you get my Private message? Cheers ludwigvan.

Who is this Alex?? Do you mean Alec?? At least get his name right. haha

I have no time for champagne socialist nonentities whose name mattes not. It was the poster and the message that made me baulk.
A cretin that stands behind a piece of cardboard with a different message of dissent year on year out in the name of the working class, paid by the working class, living a middle class lifestyle.
Whats his name again? Shame on Him.

I see a representative of the three lasses that have allegedly gone out to join ISIS is attempting to blame the security service, the police, border control etc for allowing them to leave, of course it would have nothing to do with living a repressed lifestyle or having a certain religions values being drummed into them,I wonder if their parents warned them about the dangers of becoming involved or they just exsisted in their own little muslim world, most kids their age are interested in boys,music, pop stars and clothes,like all kids they crave adventure, if they had been stopped the cry no doubt would have been the opposite islamphobia, racism,etc,