Just wondering people's views on this? Local council says no then gets overruled from elsewhere. Won't be long until they try and put it here I reckon.

Search "Borras and Holt community protection camp" on Facebook for full story and updates.

Seems to be a media blackout on this and it's something we all should care about.

The Welsh will get it anyway just like when we(UK govt?) flooded their valleys, villages, churches and cemeteries

For me, it would be nice to get some balanced facts about the issue, as I'm not for or against it.

On the one hand you have the companies, who are duty bound to put a positive spin on things.

But the protestors use all kinds of lies and scaremongering to get their point across. There's been a bit of debate on a local Facebook community page about plans to frack in Ellesmere Port.

One protestor claimed that there would be 500 wells on Wirral, and referred to old articles based on fracking in the US, which is a completely different operation on different geography operating under different regulations to the UK.

One of them even produced a poster claiming that fracking was the destruction of the British countryside. Yet the picture they'd used was of a big patch of Japanese knotweed, which is doing enough damage of its own!

The protesters all seem to be comprised of NIMBYs with no technical or professional qualifications on the subject, and do not cite any UK based facts or problems, just "concerns" and "speculation".

Take this for example:



When in fact frack fluid is 99% water, with only a small amount of additive, most or all of which is not toxic. So this is just pure lies, and because its her opinion, its posted by the media and the public believe it as fact because she's not corrected. And where she's got the figure of one in five wells failing isn't checked either, but I bet you remember it.

And you can't rely on mainstream media because their goal is just to sell papers.

I've found this source to be reasonably unbiased in their reporting:

http://frackland.blogspot.co.uk/

As for the camp in question, I can't comment. Do they own or have permission on the land they have their camp?

It did make the mainstream media though (Wales Daily Post):

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/watch-wrexham-campaigners-insist-stay-7968184

But I can relate from a friend who lived near the Barton Moss protest site. Since the protesters arrived there, locals had been subject to verbal abuse, trespass, drunkenness, vandalism, increase in litter and waste (human and dog) and theft of wooden fences which were allegedly used for the protesters heating!

Can't wait to see the start of fracking in England, I'am fed up of being held to ransom by a minority of loud mouthed Greens and Labour supportors who prefer to see the public live in the 1600's while they use Zill lanes to get around, when these people stop using vehicles to get from one fracking site to another and stop using gas bottles for heating and cooking on these fracking sites, then maybe they could tell the rest of the country how to use energy, a better idea is get rid of the windmills out at sea, I wonder how much damage has been done to the sea bed, with those 'Green' windmills and public taxes thrown at them, we have the EU already destroying the country with their 'idea's' time the real public had it's say not the big gobs.

Always sceptical when big for profitmaking(especially foreign owned) jump in and the gov bend over for a short-term dollar.
Wonder if and when fracking starts will our bills go down (who pays for developing these sites - us in the long run)and whether the companies involved could export the extract to other countries
for more profit.
I'd say leave it alone for when future British generations may have a dire need for it.

With you derek, there seems to be indecent haste to get going,and as you say who is really going to benefit? I can say without fear or favour it wont be the vast majority of us, those in the know will have staked their claim, shares, partnerships etc etc and of course no compensation for home owners,so hypothetical question, what happens if your property subsides or collapses? or if the watershed is polluted? it really does feel like the goldrush, only by the French Germans or Russians will we be be sold out again? Royal mail has gone down the nick letters are getting delivered to the wrong addresses three to four times a week the prices are rising and now they are trying to weasel out of the deal to deliver to the whole of the UK with more price rises on the horizon the society of averice and the quick buck, a continuing legacy of Thatcherism.

Wondered how long 'Thatcher" name would be invoked, 13 years of Labour to repair the damage, high taxes, high fuel premiums, house prices, taxes on private pensions, taxes on company cars, the EU were forcing Labour to sell off the Post Office and all that Mandelson did was to destroy it's name, I can remember when they were moaning about letters being throwm over hedges, Labour were so helpful with all those taxes, remember when they were going to take pictures of all the backs of the house and anyone with something taxable was going to get taxed, how about Universtity charges, they pulled the ladders up on lots of kids who might have got a decent bursery, the 13 year legacy of Labour the damage and hate they have done to this country is Labours legacy, Thatcher was wrong on lots of things and we ended up with Major then Blair, god help this country if we keep carrying on going round in circles and voting for the other Oxbridge crowd because their mum and dads voted for them.

The Angling Trust who have dealings with the Environment Agency have issued a statement saying the safeguards are not fit for purpose and along with the RSPB are concerned about damage to our watercourses and wetlands.
I think its the unknowns that are concerning people

Have you been reading the Beano again davew3, high house prices er let me think wasnt that the Tories, high unemployment, encouraging people to go on the disability list to massage the unemployment figures,selling off industry and the utilities, deregulation what did MT say you will be able catch a bus at the bottom of the garden, privatisation, rocketing energy prices,wanting to ditch the minimum wage stating it would ruin industry,the only people who hate are the Tories, vindictive public schoolboys who have turned the North into a virtual getto, by the way Iam no fan of the "new Labour Party" why dont you vote for herr Nigel sounds like your cup of tea, at least people had the wage to pay the taxes you spout about, all they can look forward to now is foodbanks what an ahievement for the sixth richest country in the world.

New thing coming to light all the time., and yes I know it's in the States but same chemicals will no doubt be used.

30th October 2014.......

Oil and gas wells across the country are spewing “dangerous" cancer-causing chemicals into the air, according to a new study that further corroborates reports of health problems around hydraulic fracturing sites

This is a significant public health risk,” says Dr. David Carpenter, director of the Institute for Health and the Environment at the University at Albany-State University of New York and lead author of the study, which was published Thursday in the journal Environmental Health. “Cancer has a long latency, so you’re not seeing an elevation in cancer in these communities. But five, 10, 15 years from now, elevation in cancer is almost certain to happen.


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...skyrocket-near-fracking-sites-study-says

You have your opinions, I have my opinions on what has happened to this country with Labour in charge, I wouldn't vote Labour ever again, the only time I will end up voting Labour, is when I die and my name is used on a postal vote, thought the Beano closed down years ago.

I'am more interested as to what's going on in the Irish sea where all these windmills are than in deep drilling through the deep coal measures that will have already brought nasties up in the water from the many abandoned mines in the Nth West area.

i thought everyone was more concerned about ebola?

What makes you tick, Hanky ?

I lost all faith and trust in the Angling Trust when the people the represent started putting barbed wire in rivers to deter wild swimmers and kayakers.

In Yorkshire they've cut hosepipes into 1" pieces and pushed nails in them and thrown them on the floor where wild swimmers are going into a lake.

House prices shot up exponentially after 1997, when Labour were in power. See the chart on this page:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...ers-seen-biggest-house-price-growth.html

As for foodbanks, more stats here showing they shot up under Labour's time in office too.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/food-banks-is-cameron-on-the-money/12486

Can I suggest you take another look at your information Gibbo, because your interpitation of the facts are some what different to what it actually says eg; look at the graph on house prices, highest under Thatcher, food banks 40% rise in a 6 year period under Labour over double that in a 2 year period under the coalition,it also explains how the percentage growth is misleading, thats why governments use percentages because they can be manipulated to tell different stories, no time for Labour but even less for the Tories, bad vindictive people, in the paper today, ex tory David Mellor (model humper)making vile and derogatory comments to working class people,that train of thought is in bred, glad I would never have to share a lifeboat with any of them.

The visual graphs speak for themselves. If you can't see a steeper and shorter line between Blair and Brown then that's not my problem. My house jumped up in value from £59,000 when I bought it in 2000 to £170,000 by 2007.

big key sticking out of my back, get wound up once a day

Off topic and ready to be axed.... but just has to be done Hanky

Did you read further down the page Gibbo, house prices rose 10% under a Labour government overall and 19% under the Conservatives, I think that says it all.

i'm not quite that handsome but thanks though

No it doesn't because you only chose to quote part of it. You conveniently missed off



Even if you refuse to or can't comprehend the steeper line of the graph, the figures below say it all:

1990 - 1997
John Major - Conservative
Years in power: Seven
Average property value at start: £59,587
Average property value at end: £55,169
Difference: -£4,418
Average increase per year: -£631
Annualised return: -1%


1997 – 2007
Tony Blair – Labour
Years in power: Ten
Average property value at start: £55,810
Average property value at end: £172,065
Difference: £116,255
Average increase per year: £11,626
Annualised return: 12%

It appears to be quite straitforward and plain which ever way you want to cut it 10% 19% with the respective governments, I see you "conveniently" chose Major with the lowest % the pot calling the kettle