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Posted By: Mark Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 4th Nov 2013 3:09pm
Merseyside firefighters walk out in pensions dispute.

FIREFIGHTERS across Merseyside have staged two further walkouts as part of an ongoing dispute over pay and pensions.

A five-hour strike by members of the Fire Brigades Union on Friday night was followed by a two-hour walkout this morning.

The action was in response to government plans to make firefighters work up to 60.

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privatisation is knocking at the door , the same door that if you have no insurance then you aren't being saved , who will pay for that private fire service then .how much do you reckon it will cost to put a fire out and rescue someone when there is a profit to be made , I hope you ( 19frank40 )are ok with paying for a fat cat fire service that wants to make a profit out of your misery .the government have sold out the fire service /police force /the ambulance and health service .
those things you take for granted now wont be around if no-one stands up to this corrupt government .
Posted By: davew3 Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 7th Nov 2013 5:39pm
How quickly people forget when Labour attacked the fire services and Prescott wasted around £10billion on those fire control centres that were never used, always wondered why they renamed the fire stations,"Community fire station" all that money wasted on signage that Labour could have used pay for something to do with the Fire Service.

Never heard a whisper from the Firemen when Brown took £10billion a year out of private pensions for 10 years, pensions come out of a current account and not a savings account, a prudent Chancellor would have sorted that bit out, but Brown saved the world so we must happy with that.
Posted By: Santos Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 8th Nov 2013 9:42am
I would like to see some of you lot handling heavy ladders and fire hoses under pressure at 60 years of age, its a joke expecting them to do that. Very few office jobs so they cant all go there. This country is governed by clowns.
some facts .....for the miss guided
1/ scumbag champagne socialist prescot and sadiq kahn are now costing the taxpayer 20 k a month times all the regional centres in a mass waste on PFIS on fire controls....we'll be paying for years for these white elephants.
2/a fireman after five years gets under a hundred pound a shift, youd pay more for a plumber or painter
3/ yes they can retire at 55 after 30 years in the job they've paid 300 a month for the "right" to, private sector workers pay just 5/6% of their salary
4/in 2006 scumbag labour asked them to sign for the new rip off pension or the good old one....saying its all sorted, NOW its you pay more, get less and work longer just cause we say.....its got to be fought against NOW otherwise the next scumbags will move the goal posts again to rape the pot AGAIN !!!
5/the average salary of CFO in uk brigades has massively risen/while no pay rise for FFS, up to a ridiculous 150/200k a year !!! do they really need that?? are they worth that?
6/research what ASSET CO did in London LFB with their private company raping of a public service.....do you want more of that?
7/do we really want G4S running the fire service with even lower min staffing on less pay with contracted equipment and trucks and if youre in a flood or RTA a half hr wait for enough staff to cut you out a car or to be able to safely lift a 100 kg ladder to recue you???....
8/ firefighters deaths at jobs have risen 500 % in the last ten years? wonder why?
9/FFS have had their pay frozen for years
10/is a FF on 6 pound an hour gonna risk his neck for you when his CEO boss gets a million a year?
10/in 2015 many FFS will be taking miss selling of pension contracts to court, why not?
their pension statement says "you get X" but now its "you get y"
not acceptable if a bank gives it you...so why the government then?
PENSIONS ARE GETTING RAPED TO PAY THE BANKS BILL,FFS RESCUE PEOPLE NOT BANKS...
[quote=19FRANK40]I cannot see any privatisation 'knocking at the door'. You seem to have a vivid left wing imagination. [/quot
Sorry mate its all ready been tried and failed, look at asset co getting LFB into the madness situation of bailiffs coming to take fire trucks to pay bills because off shore speculators haven't made enough share profit that month.
I tell you now G4S SERCO Capita parasites would LOVE to run the fire services.
Its actually been tried by this ... gov already but it got stopped by the FBU and highlighted to ministers.
Get on your computer and research brian coleman and how he tried to bum over LFB and yet ended up arrested.. KARMA
People don't understand the jobs been broke down to just 4 bods on a truck and the actual practicalities at an incident for work over load for the officer in charge and the million and one jobs to do driver is simply DANGEROUS !
But in years to come when public die and business burns to the ground thro lack of speedy /quality attendance I HOPE THEY GET SUED
it wont bring loved ones back....
I mean scumbag Cameron had the nerve to shake FFS hands after London riots yet wants to rob their pensions.
In a recent midlands yard fire there was just ONE truck left covering 2 million homes.......I bet hes proud.
Posted By: Gibbo Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 8th Nov 2013 12:05pm
Amazing article here about the fire service in Belfast:

The Stormont watchdog discovered that a brand new £6,000 ride-on lawnmower disappeared from Fire Service premises and has never been located.

Woodchip panels bought by the Service also went missing and the former Chief Fire Officer Peter Craig defied his boss’s orders by refusing to return a Land Rover loaned by a major car dealership to the service.

Now the Service has issued a statement to scotch rumours that a luxury sauna had been partly dismantled and removed from a Fire Service property so it could be installed in an officer’s house.



http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...g-with-unused-luxury-sauna-29723570.html
Posted By: Santos Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 8th Nov 2013 6:47pm
Originally Posted by 19FRANK40
Originally Posted by Santos
I would like to see some of you lot handling heavy ladders and fire hoses under pressure at 60 years of age, its a joke expecting them to do that. Very few office jobs so they cant all go there. This country is governed by clowns.


I said NOT FRONT LINE WORK but office work. read and learn friend.


Its you that should read and learn wassock, I said " Very few office jobs so they cant all go there." and the reference to them working at 60 was aimed at the government.

Dear Frank if its just down to simple sums that balance out perfectly, life aint like that , mps wouldnt get all their pensions after five mins and 65 k a year.
It wasnt a rant its based on ff knowledge of 20 years via friends
Was it ff s who robbed us blind ? Was it ffs who caused the crash ? No
Conservative s have always been for the rich and raping the worker to pay for it
If you ring the police youll get questions about them bothering to investigate your issue. If you get robbed or burgled you get a crime number. If you ring the fire service theyll be there hell for leather !!! A ff costs 29 k a year a copper gets 40 k a year after ten years. Ff has no increase. Fact.

Does a plumber risk his life at his job??? No
These cuts risk public and ff lives. Consider that in your sums.
Youre probably one of those public who think its still pool tables cooks beds early nights.
It aint.
Look at how over paid pensions of fire chiefs are bloated while doing early retirement career breaks to perverse ly recieve more pay and higher pensions on being re hired. Case in point graham stagg gloucs cfo
Funny thing is ff s where asked during the recent vote whether theyd pull out the old pension if needed ( which they can) it would only take 10% or more to actually collapse and cause the gov to have to fund it. They have the power the workers. Not ... cameron.
Fat toad prescott wasted half a billion on pfi fire controls that don't work at all they've been forced to make them work.
That would sort the pension frank? How about that ? Half a billion
... gov continue to make mistakes with the cash cow tax payer fund. But now bleet " fire service costs us too much " boll ;cks..... frank bolloc***ks
Posted By: RUDEBOX Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 9th Nov 2013 6:30pm
Maybe start a new thread? This is about Merseyside firefighters on strike!
Im not shouting. Ha
I re enforce my point thats all
Theres alot of myths
Youre on the same old vein of public vs private pensions distraction
Everyone should get better not worse. Why do you think everyone's on strike ??
Half the gdp is the welfare state. True. Majority is pensions not dole
But how long do you allow people in general to get raped of everything theyve earned
The other half of uk gdp is banking. Ring any bells ?
That will always be protected. Look at the american dream video by george carlin. Hes talking the usa but its dead on for uk right now
Posted By: chriskay Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 9th Nov 2013 10:42pm
Originally Posted by svenlock68

Everyone should get better not worse.


Nice idea, but everything's got to be earned.
Posted By: mrhanky Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 9th Nov 2013 11:10pm
Originally Posted by 19FRANK40

Do you know how many plumbers and other skilled workers are killed each year on construction sites throughout the world?


as a percentage of the total working in the world i'd imagine a very very small amount.
Posted By: svenlock68 Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 10th Nov 2013 10:02am
Chris kay
Apply that utopian theory to politicians the tax man big business banking etc etc
Everything has become more polarised and your gov loves to distract you with media and reasons "why " its ok for them to rape you of your assets
The public are so dumbed down now obsessed with buying stuff and following controlled media
Exactly why so many media puppet papers are feeding the myth of dole and foreign workers are the answer to all our ills
Its not. Its the ... gov and banks.
Watch " inside job " good film. Informative
Posted By: stumpyduck Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 10th Nov 2013 11:49am
any chance of letting everyone know where you earned your pension as you seem to believe that no-one else should fight or worry about theirs but now you have yours ,you seem to have all the answers . what was your chosen profession .
Posted By: chriskay Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 10th Nov 2013 12:43pm
Originally Posted by svenlock68
Chris kay
Apply that utopian theory to politicians the tax man big business banking etc etc
Everything has become more polarised and your gov loves to distract you with media and reasons "why " its ok for them to rape you of your assets
The public are so dumbed down now obsessed with buying stuff and following controlled media
Exactly why so many media puppet papers are feeding the myth of dole and foreign workers are the answer to all our ills
Its not. Its the ... gov and banks.
Watch " inside job " good film. Informative


I might be more inclined to engage in discussion with you if your posts were not filled with left wing cant. Oh, and a little punctuation would make your post easier to understand.
Frank you're a miss guided individual !?
I hate all politicians, I can't think of one thing of any of them I like
As Carlin said " its a big club. And you ain't in it "
You accuse me of being a person who thinks democracy exists here !?
No. Wake up.
I don't have sky don't read or buy papers, don't listen to Murdochmedia ppuppets like the gov
I research things myself and form my own view. People are sheep here like the USA.
I'm 45. I know all about politicians robbing us for 40 years.
******** Chris. I have problems with posting I'm on a phone that's all *****
Yes frank how about telling us where your pension money originates from ??
******** Chris. I'm not right or left wing. That's a stupid label for newspapers. I'm my own wing tthanks. I hate how this country's gone down the toilet in last 20 years and I'm not proud of it. Who could be !?
Its sold its arse off ages ago
I'm laughing at you frank. Honestly.
You actually think war criminal blair is " my government"
Just so were clear.....my fave saying
" incompetent and corrupt sycophants who feather their own nests "
That's my view of all of them. Period
Posted By: derekdwc Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 11th Nov 2013 12:13pm
Originally Posted by 19FRANK40
Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
Maybe start a new thread? This is about Merseyside firefighters on strike!


If you have nothing to contribute, why not butt-out?


How rude!
I've felt like doing that to some of your posts, but resisted the urge.
I think it was a legitimate request.
I'll start one about pensions

re about spelling


Spelling isn't everybody's strong point - especially if you are using a mobile (do they have spellcheckers?)
I've a friend who was an English teacher who has written a few books (awaiting publishing)and sometimes he asks me to look at them and I often point out spelling/grammar errors such as
were/we're which wouldn't show up in a spell check.
If you can't understand his posts (which I tend to agree on a lot of what he says)
try this

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wloh

I do tend to look up in a dictionary words I'm not sure of the spelling of.



Posted By: Mark Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 11th Nov 2013 12:58pm
1st Post
Merseyside firefighters walk out in pensions dispute.

Please keep on topic.
Please do not make your opinions personal.

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Posted By: RUDEBOX Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 11th Nov 2013 1:37pm
Firefighters will strike again on 13 November and hold new ballot for further forms of industrial action
November 5, 2013
Firefighters today announced that a fourth strike on pensions will take place between 10am and 2pm on Wednesday 13 November in England and Wales.

This follows the decision of the government in Westminster to worsen proposals on firefighter pensions.

In addition the Fire Brigades Union announced the start of a further ballot for other forms of industrial action, which will close on Wednesday 4 December.

On the new strike date, FBU General Secretary, said: “Our members enter burning buildings for a living, and will not be intimidated by the government’s decision to worsen their proposals. This latest attack will simply harden the resolve of firefighters.

“Ministers continue to ignore the professional, evidence-based case firefighters have presented over the past three years and refuse to establish an affordable occupational pension scheme which reflects the occupation of firefighting.

“There seems to be little or no understanding of what our members actually do or the standards they are required to meet.”

On the new ballot for further industrial action, Wrack said:

“Although we still hope the government returns to negotiations, our members have told us that they are prepared for a long, hard campaign if necessary.

“As a result we are now balloting for further forms of industrial action.

“The fire and rescue service is totally reliant on the goodwill of firefighters on the front line. Many are now performing additional duties and additional hours as a result of central government funding cuts.

“There is precious little goodwill left in view of these attacks and that I am confident that will be reflected in this further vote.

“I urge the government to come back and talk about all the issues in dispute.”

Fire Minister, Brandon Lewis, told firefighters on Friday 1 November that he had withdrawn June proposals on firefighters taking their pension before 60.

The FBU has argued that firefighters are likely to experience a decline in fitness in their 50s, meaning that they would be unlikely to meet the fitness standards required in the fire service.

Chief Fire Officers last week highlighted that the government’s proposals would mean firefighters facing a choice between the loss of almost half their pension or dismissal for failing to reach the standards.

www.fbu.org.uk
Posted By: Santos Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 11th Nov 2013 5:32pm
leave the government to sort matters out.

They could not sort out anything. They are a complete set of clowns, interested only in what they can get out of politics including their expenses. They have no desire to be politicians for the good of the country and its population, they exist only for the benefits that being an MP brings to them.

The thought of people in the Emergency Services over 55yrs having to do jobs which they are physically not fully capable of is horrific as it is ludicrous.

This has all been caused by greedy,useless and to be frank ( pun intended) dysfunctional political behavior. These so called politicians have rarely done a hard days work in their life. They can be split into two basic groups, the university set and the trade union set. Both sets as bad as each other and as destructive as each other.

Dont blame the Fire Fighters, blame the clowns in the big house next to the Thames.
Posted By: tiptop Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 11th Nov 2013 6:35pm
Good 1st post Mark, shame it's been took over by my party better than your party like most of the posts of late, would it be out of terms in asking for a political forum on here so that the other forums can run smoothly.

All this political talk makes me very :zzz: and not want to read any posts I and many others (imo only) are turned away from posts we/I would love to get into.
Posted By: Santos Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 11th Nov 2013 6:47pm
Who should run the country, well, obviously people elected by the people, but the candidates should be a lot less in number and far more qualified in their subjects, eg, experienced military personnel in charge of defense, proven financiers in charge of finance, respected lawyers in charge of the home office. That, instead of people who dont have one iota of knowledge about the Ministry they are put in charge of but just happen to be in favor with the PM at the time and have the ability to faff.

I made no mention nor reference to private sector workers and do not intend to do so. Private sector workers do not enter into the equation as this thread is about public sector Firefighters, their duties and their pension. If you wish to introduce private sector arguments then I suggest that you start a new thread on Private sector workers, their jobs and their pensions.
Theres no point...santos and Derek, dear old frank has totally swallowed the "its them against us private vs public" bull
hook line and sinker.....sad
maybe its a bit of jealousy that hes been shafted and wont get the same in the long run and resents their "high" pensions.
this usual distraction is the standard the government love you to believe.
I repeat carlins words "they keep you arguing between each other while they run off with all the f***--ing money"
Frank does somehow seem to think that without the wrags and tv theres no way anyone knows anything....which again is very sad.
How about knowing people who actually do the job who have 20 years experience.....I did say that before. I DO
I have inside knowledge too....due to cuts, its a matter of time, a ballot for work to rule, no overtime, no standbys, no cover when theres not enough bodies on trucks will come in very soon.
Most brigades will be buggered by this big time because they've shredded staffing to the bone.
That's THEIR FAULT , no they'll pay the price. karma
the officers union haven't even said their position properly yet, their pensions rapings by Cameron make FFS looklike chicken feed......if they vote to strike itll bring fire services to a halt, literally
You can't wag your finger frank at someone you know nothing about
I have zero debt. Own my house and car. I've never owned a creditcard ddon't need one.
After the last ten years that's good going. I can retire at 55 myself if I want. My father who worked in car finance predicted the last six years two years before it happened.
I was easy to see the public drowning in over reaching debt listening to sales people saying the bubble won't burst.
Never trust a salesman.
I work full time and have a side business. I'm doing fine. I'm smart I'll do ok.
it sounds like he has had his pension and doesn't want anyone else to get anything out of the pot , he also doesn't want anyone asking him a direct question about his workplace but wants to poke around into the firefighters dispute when it has got absolutely nothing to do with him ..go back to your luxury holiday home frank and stay there , firefighters need support and they are taking on the government because the government have taken away something that was promised to them in 1977 , or shall we just all bend over and let the government take everything away from us all without saying a word , I think north korea is the place you should have retired to with YOUR pension .you sound like a middle manager that's done all right for himself and when the time came you were offloaded with your lump sum and pension and never said a word about your firm being taken over with jobs lost as long as you were allright .now you want to tell everyone to accept worsening conditions because the gov says we should .
remember one thing about firefighters .if you ever need them when your own house goes on fire , they will be the ones that pass you in the hallway as you are running out screaming .they will be running into your burning building looking for people that cant make it out , does that sound maybe like a bit challenging and something that after 30 years in the job they will forget all about the charred remains of the bodies that they find or forget all about the kids they try to save or the people that they have to cut out of cars that are mangled in the road , lets get this straight, you want them to have more of that and get paid less than they were promised when they signed up for their pension . that's why they work until 55 .its so they can enjoy the years from 55 to 65/75 and live a normal life like other people .they deserve that .
Posted By: Mark Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 12th Nov 2013 8:54am
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We all enjoy a healthy debate guys.
It does not have to get personal over an opinion.
Posted By: svenlock68 Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 12th Nov 2013 10:05am
Well said stumpy
As I said frank just comes across as bitter and miss guided
All the public should fight against this insidious government robbing you whatever your job.
Fire men only want what they where told they'd get. Simple
Although this gov loves you to be distracted with tales of people on the dole foreigners and competition. The buck ultimately ends with their policies and personal hypocrisy.
If people don't stand now they may as well open the privatisation door and bend over. Funny how the very same companies are mates of the present government
Posted By: Santos Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 12th Nov 2013 10:07am
I think that we are wasting our time here. Frank obviously believes in paying the private sector as much as possible and screwing the public sector for all it is worth. We don't and have said so, I personally do not see any point in wasting my time and energies going around in circles. I support the Firefighters 100% and do not see as feasible them having to work in their chosen profession until they are physically unable to do the job as they would wish, they will be a danger to themselves as well as the people they are there to help.

It is typical of the politicians to move the goal posts and force people who genuinely contracted to do a fixed term of employment, continue under unsuitable conditions in order to get their well deserved pensions. Politicians are slimy they slide out from under their stones alter things for their benefit and then slide back again. Time I think to look elsewhere for change from this present bunch of freeloading parasites.
Posted By: svenlock68 Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 12th Nov 2013 10:09am
I have read your post. I must remind you the last two elections no one was " legimately elected" frank
Brown got in cause Blair finally stepped down too.
No one has been elected on main majority for years. !!!
Posted By: derekdwc Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 12th Nov 2013 10:37am
I would put the ability to do a frontline firefighters job at a certain age on a par with our Armed Forces - would you feel safer with 60+ year old soldiers going out to do battle for you.(I didn't realize how low soldiers wages were)
(by the way I hope this doesn't put any ideas into a politicians head - god forbid)
Posted By: Santos Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 12th Nov 2013 2:32pm
OH right, the Queen says its OK - then it must be OK.

What a load of drivel - the Tories got more votes than any other party maybe, but they did not get a majority of seats and that is what matters. Its you living in fantasy land Frank not us. Brown did not get elected by the people, he was gifted the PMs job by Blair then managed to drop us all in it. Cameron et al have just managed to make a complete pills of it too, and they were not voted in on a majority either. Dream on in your little world Frank, a world which is not part of our world, we live in the real world.
Posted By: Mark Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 12th Nov 2013 3:19pm
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learn Last Warning Guys ! The Topic will be closed if you are unable to keep to your opinions and not personal insults.
Posted By: Santos Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 12th Nov 2013 4:34pm
Delighted by being called young man. Frank I am older than you by a couple of years, that's made my day, there is life in the old dog yet grin

My apologies Mark if I have upset anyone else, that was not my intention.
1997 war criminal Blair got in
2001 he did again by majority
2005 after Iraq lies and war he wavered and incompetent brown walked in looking like Mrs doubt fire dressed as Susan Boyle with the personality to match
2010 no one was voted in at all after salary expenses scandal etc
Cameron made a get me in pact to get enough to lever in the door
Then liberals bummed over all the students immediately
There's the facts frank

IMO no one in 12 years been solidly in.
After everyone's been bummed over, lost their job and pension or on six pound an hour.......will they get in....2015. No way no chance
getting back on track....
matt wrack FBU news letter today says
"ballot short of strike" (like I predicted work to rule)
1/ members have seen increases for two years and the gov have said itll go up to 14.2 %, a further increase.....this is the max pension payment of all sectors
2/new scheme (after 2006) members will now see a rise of 2.2 % by 2015. we cannot see FFS priced out of pensions,this would make the scheme further unsustainable.
3/many members still face prospects of pensions they signed up to being terminated without agreement ,protection against which hasn't been offered by the gov at all
4/yet still a key issue is NO JOB NO PENSION threat which is being addressed in Scotland as we speak
employers still confirm this is a real threat, the union has offered a draft regulation for an answer to this issue....its been ignored

whats more insidious is local agreement FF role maps might mean fire services will take up tu 20% pay off FFS if they work to rule, this is what they lost back in 2003 due to the complete " into the govs hands" f**k up andy gilchrist made of it
*****that last bit was me not matt wrack****
youre still living in the past mate
those days are gone, biffa does the bins, a private company,
all that ability for unions to stop things started with the destructive thatcher....its gone over the other way
yet again narrow mind, why would I put millaband in either ??
Just like the USA we have no choice cause theres only too raping-money scumbag parties to pick from....ill be doing a protest vote, not wasting my vote frank old boy.
Even farage who comes across ok is always banging the same drum about immigration issue, his views on economy or other important issues are silent.
You need to look at my other posts on millaband on here...
Politicians are boring detached don't live in the real world or get pay by results (like most) don't represent real people or their problems and feed as much as they can on their position.
Ive always know it...its taken all the slime to bubble up in ten years for the public to realise too
The great thing is, they always get caught in time
Posted By: svenlock68 Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 13th Nov 2013 10:00am
that's exactly why everyone IS STRIKING NOW that's all they've got LEFT to protest against being shafted
Posted By: svenlock68 Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 13th Nov 2013 10:09am
actually you should listen to a conservative MP on the take being covertly filmed in Westminster recently on BBC one
he said I quote " you do know, and they do aswell , that they'll be out in the next election wont they "
he was taking about his OWN party....its great theyre never that smart are they....
Actually they are from ten am till two !! The fire service
That aside it was meant metaphorically
You're resorting to sarcasm . No argument now?
All those poor people getting less pensions less hours less pay change of contract getting sacked and so on. I'll say just accept it cause franks says.
How about that?
Posted By: RUDEBOX Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 13th Nov 2013 1:49pm
I left early this morning in order to show my support to the striking firefighters.I took pictures from over the road and was blowing my whistle.

One of therm beckoned me over and asked me to take photos of them on their phones/ cameras, I was only glad to help.

Lovely, lovely people, was lovely to stop and chat and offer support.

On way home, passed again, this time in a miss m's car. I hung out of the window blowing my whistle and she tooted her horn laugh

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I recognisesome of them
Blue watch and white from Birkenhead and mill lane
The tuc said today job quality was at 20.year low. It tracked pay rises and standards and job quality has dropped
I personally hate the it when our mps bleet " weve created a million jobs in three years"
Yes youre right ten hrs a week at £6-31. I think ill buy a mansion!!!
Ill get a mortgage with that. Not!
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Posted By: CVCVCV Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute - 13th Nov 2013 5:02pm
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On topic. There's a work to rule ballot out now. As I predicted
Things are getting dirty
my mail man said his xmas strike was stopped as they agreed to all their pay deals but management want them to stop strikes forever as part of the agreement
People have to watch that ...
itll be like the police. Thats what they want
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