theres a new mobile phone mast on mill lane which i thought was knocked back, anyone know anything about this?

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Why was it knocked back?

The more the merrier.......

Its new technology. You must be paranoid, scared and apposed to it whilst being quiet and reaping its benefits when it suits you.

Not really new tech anymore lol, its been around since the 80's in the UK... LTE is the one to be scared of (as a new technology) lmao.

But, I agree, many people who are against it, don't mind using it when it suits (even if you're only phoning someone from your landline to their mobile, you're still using it. Just like a whole area stands up and complains about a new supermarket etc, yet 3 months after it's opened, they are all shopping their for their groceries and it becomes a part of normal life...

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There is NO evidence linking mobile phones, mobile masts or any other personal communication to cancer, electro-hypersensitivity or any other rubbish non-diagnosis someone cares to apply to themselves. So there is the health angle covered

I thought it was the one on the fire station that got knocked back. They built it, and the operators lost on appeal, due to being too close to the school or hospital or something? Either way, they agreed to keep it switched off, and still not shown as operational, even now. Perhaps the new mast is its replacement?

See my above post. Plus info on non-ionising radiation

true for masts, it's not quite that cut and dried for phones.

Yes DD correct. I know sweet fanny adams about all this.....but what I do know is, that my next door neighbour in Suffolk, who was a Doctor in research at BT research centre Martlesham Heath, would not allow any of his family to use mobile phones for making telephone calls. That was from the health and saftey angle.

In all fairness, that's an anecdote and nothing more. Do you mean H&S as in not crossing the road whilst talking, or was the Dr. scared of low powered radio waves.

If there's a quality, peer reviewed scientific paper that says mobile phones or their masts cause harm then that needs to be taken into account. But all I see are anecdotes and paranoia which aren't evidence enough to prove harm is being caused.

How about the World Health Organisation?

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So thats a fag in one hand, a mobile in the other whilst sucking up all the diesel fumes from cars and buses.

Thats me doomed then!

Two references do not make a thorough study or summation of the evidence.

The first reference is, as far as I can tell this is the complete thing:



That one is TWO DECADES old

The second refernce is certainly interesting, I'll have to read and digest it, but they're referencing what I believe to be methodologically flawed studies. Plus the fact that it's FOURTEEN YEARS OLD.

The WHO is an authoritative on many things, but in this case at least their evidence search is quite poor. In uni I try not to use any source older than five years, the fresher the better.

On spectrum analysers mobile phones show quite a big energy spike. Having seen them and knowing that a mobile phone works on micro-wave frequencies, and also bearing in mind that micro-waves are used to cook steak and kidney pies I only use mine in dire emergencies, or get the missus to use hers. My motto is that anything which can cook a steak and kidney pie has no business longside my ear hole. The jury is still out on how dangerous they are. Masts radiate as well, as do most electrical appliances so it might just be the luck of the draw.

That is why WHO are continuing to examine the issue, the previous evidence is inconclusive (ie "not cut and dried", as I stated above).

It is generally expected that as people use phones over a longer period of time and are using them for extended periods, evidence will show there is a significant risk.

The brain can take an amazing amount of damage without showing symptoms, but there are limits (and unfortunate flukes). Virtually all other electromagnetic radiation studies outside of mobile phones have come up with recommended field strengths weaker than those that mobile phones are capable of, the problem is caused mainly by proximity.

The field strengths allowed by mobile masts in areas where people may be present, are lower than those that mobile phones can produce. The phones can be more dangerous than the masts.

As people are living longer and longer, the cumulative effect of minor damages to the brain are more apparent. If your life expectancy is 60, then the effect of mobile phones may be negligible, if your life expectancy is 90 then the effects may become more apparent - what's the point of living longer if part of your extended life is cabbaged. These are further issues that need to be analysed and there are no easy ways of conclusively pre-empting the outcome, previous research does give some indicators though.

On another day, I might have dug up some decent references, but I'm not well.

It's surprising what radiating electrical gear can do, that's why security sensitive installations are Tempested to stop the stuff radiating out and getting intercepted. I sometimes wonder whether all this autism and related conditions are to do with the amount of magnetic fields we have around now, something must explain the increase in a lot of these conditions. Amazing what you think about when there's nowt on the box.

I don't advocate indiscretion over caution, but my original point was why has the mast been knocked back?

As for mobiles using microwaves to transmit and receive, and their similarities to microwave ovens. microwave ovens operate at 600+ watts, mobiles at about 3 watts. There's a huge disparity between the strengths at face value, let alone when you take into account the inverse square law means exposure is less than 100 watts for most, if not all of the population

In a microwave, the field is contained in a Faraday Cage, there is extremely low leakage (less than the output of a mobile phone) and you generally don't plant it next to you head.

When you compare distances of say 30cms to 5mm, that is a ratio of 60 linear, or 3600 square law!

I used to know of a RAF copper who thought radiation wouldn't have any effect on him too. Anyway, he cooked his gonads and aint going to be a dad any time soon. I wouldn't like to live under a mast and I still won't put a phone alongside my nut unless it's a total emergency and I don't know the square root of feck all, it's my choice.

that was part of my point which perhaps I wasn't clear about. microwave ovens are shielded yes, but drawing a comparison on such disparate powers and uses is flawed from the get go.

As for autism, that's a completely different can of worms

We all need to stop communicating as we'll all get cancer.

Also, stop crossing the road, as you might get run over.

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What's the area like? May join you.

Pardon me for having an opinion. Promise I won't do it again.
FFS

I'm not having a go at anyone, but strive to dispel misconceptions and misunderstandings. Should rules be based upon evidence or gut feelings?

This topic reminds of the grossly exaggerated adverse effects of nuclear radiation - when in actual fact, those who live in area's of the world with higher natural levels of nuclear radiation, live healthier lives on average.

Case in point: Chernobyl.

As has been previously stated, a lot of people seem to moan about radiation, pollution etc on the internet... but they are doing so using computer systems that were built using materials and components created with the aid of radiation and pollution, shipped to them with the aid of pollution, and fundamentally powered by the aid of pollution and radiation.

Unless anyone on here is a caveman who can post using some sort of telepathic gift, I'd consider winding your neck in if you want moan about such things as radiation.

+1

Radiation is all around us. Light, heat, tv and radio transmissions, background radiation from rocks and cosmic radiation that makes it through the atmosphere etc. it's all around us alone the time.

The word radiation conjures up images of the effects of Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Chenobyl. Modern life wouldn't be possible without it. Xrays, CT scans, MRIs and radiotherapy gone

A pound to a pinch you drink in the Shrew as well.
Stap me!

What would I have to do in order to stap you?

It's a very old catchphrase and saves me from swearing.

Swear away.

I bet you have a pet dinosaur too?

Regardless, you might want to stay indoors for the rest of your life, and wrap yourself in tin foil.

No, he died just before Christmas. The whole family was gutted and wouldn't leave the cave for a week.
Don't be so patronising son, you've no idea.

Sod's Law would be that the cave would have a leakage of radioactive Radon gas through the rock - and that would get you PDQ

Snod

Really?

What is it that you know and nobody else does?

Is that what it was, Radon? I thought someone had dropped their handbag.

How I read it.