www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/9232789....ribute_to_Wirral_war_hero_Ian_Fraser_VC/

I just read this and I might be naive but what do they do with them once they have stolen them? Surely if they try to weigh them in somewhere the people they are selling to would know they sre robbed??

People who rob things like that normally stick them on their walls

what, as a constant reminder of how shit they are!??

Yup

I think it's far worse people just smashing things up or covering it in spray-paint or chewing gum. If someone has taken it as a souvenir for their wall then at least they have some knowledge of who Mr. Fraser was. Penny Lane roadsigns were always getting nicked by Japanese and American tourists. Eventually the City Council just gave up and painted on a sign.

I had the honour of meeting the man him self and his wife a few years ago at the RNA Submarine reunion in the Adephi hotel.A terrible thing to happen to the memory of a true War hero and a very nice Gentleman and his wife.You cant get any lower than a snakes ass and thats what the thieves are.

I always feel sad when I read something like this. I wish I knew what they get out of it (apart from money probably from selling it or melting it down for scrap). Surely if someone is offered this for scrap they'd inform the Police, or do I just live in a world of my own where people have good morals?

So sad.

I would imagine they just see the plaque's as a piece of metal with writing on. Some people just don't feel the need to look any further than that. (some just don't care about what the guy did, either).

As for melting it down, anyone can make a crude furnace for melting down this kind of scrap. Melt it to rough ingots and sell it on, easy.

This is sad & sick. I used to work for Ian. I went to his funeral. I went to the dedication service for this plaque.
If I remember correctly it was only made of thin alloy so would be worth nothing as scrap.

They dont even go that far as melting it down. Smash it up and deface it with a hammer, mix it with other metals of the same in bits, no ones gonna look at the scrappies! I would like to drive a midget submarine up their arses if caught!!!
You know what, theres ... and then theres ... of the earth, wot the fook is this society coming to??
Stop the world....I want to get off comes to mind!

I can't even bring myself to write this great mans name in the same sentence as the lowlife that done this, once again it shows how low some ... will go to turn in a profit.
Once again i feel that all this goes on because of the total lack of retribution these lowlifes face when caught. To think this brave man and others like him done what they did, only for this country to fall into the decline like it has.

A saddening read

Dirty low life ....

Pr!cks

WTF? Where do these people come from, heartless, thieving Rats.

Clearly not on

Hateful people but perhaps even more hateful Leah Fraser jumping on the bandwagon! When will this woman just dissappear???

Leah Fraser is an annoying character but at least on this occassion it's something to do with her. Her father-in-law I think.

Also, she's going to be the Tory candidate for Wallasey Village ward at the next council elections so she wont be disappearing anytime soon. It's a safe Tory seat.

This really pisses me off, the bloke was a hero and a gent. Just been listening to Roger Philips and the interviewees on there were trying to make out these lowlifes were victims instead of perpetrators, they make me sick.
As for trying to turn this thread into a political rant, get stuffed.

No intention of, a) turning this thread into a political rant or b)getting stuffed. My point was the La Fraser will make political capital out of anything, I pity the folk of Wallasey Village!

Kids nick stuff, period. They don't realise what the significance is, the council should replace it with something more substantial and let's move on, it's not as though they are dancing on the great mans grave wearing swastikas and jack-boots is it?

This. *thumbs up*

Yes, kids do, and teenagers, and therein lies the problem.

They get taught as kids that it's alright to steal, then they continue into their teens.

Then next we see the adults that we ignored as thieving shits for fifteen or twenty years, because "Kids nick stuff, period" and wonder why they're screwing our houses and cars.

Oh for God's sake!! Purrrleeaaase don't trot that old crap out!! Kids are naughty, it's nature. Just get over it, no-one died, have you people nothing better to worry about?

I read the opening post and then the article, initially i though, Leah Fraser... Sounds familiar....

CORRUPTION! through and through, how on gods earth did the prom get named after this man?? yes he was a hero, so was my grandad and many of yours, but they dont have a road named after them. often officers get medals and awards for things which they could not of and usually did not do by themselves, whilst the real heroes who usually ended up dead on the mission are forgotten in time.

I dont agree with vandelism of any kind and yes these people are ..., they did not do it to disrespect the guy they did it because they could. personally i am still fuming that this blatent corruption of power in local government has gone unnoticed. I often see her and next time i do i am going to ask her how her grandad managed to get a road named after him and how my grandad who was bomber command and a prisoner of war can get one named after him.

:angry:

Ian Edward Fraser, VC, DSC, RD and Bar, JP, to give him his full title was awarded his honours by a grateful country along with Leading seaman James Joseph Magennis VC, so there is no discrimination there with officers and ranks. Councils often show appreciation by naming roads, streets or buildings after what they consider worthy candidates, its probably the cheapest form of recognition they can render.
If you were to ask this man was he any braver than men in bomber command, men in Burma or the men that hit the beaches of Normandy, the answer would have certainly been no and yet there seems to be opposition to this road or prom carrying his name.
If a relative is seeking political gain on the back of this man, there is nothing new there, the house of lords and parliament are full of the likes, none of that should take away what this man done for his country and the gratitude he deserves.
The sign was probably stolen by someone who has the same name, how unfortunate they don't have the same character and never will have.

Every story I read year days seems to be a story about how sOmerhung has happened and the council say one thing but every member of public seems to say and think something else all together. The councillors either have their heads in the cloud or they have a "gift" heading their way.

I would like to see a full audit carried out on who had their palm crossed in relation to the development in new Brighton.

Either way, feel sorry for the relatives of Ian Fraser but this kind of theft is nothing new and sadly won't be changing anytime soon I think

Edit

I would like to add one last thing, when you are in a position of power you will be exposed to oppertunitys that may not usually present themselves. In order to avoid bringing your character in to question you should avoid questionable acts. I.e giving a big contract to a friend or relative, going ahead with projects that the mass public are against, naming roads after lived ones....

For heavens sake where is all this needless nonsense going?

Starting to look like it wasn't stolen by kids or smack rats, but was maybe a political protest by some one living in Lancaster, Wellington, or Blenheim road/avenue.

I wouldn't know her if I fell over her, but I do know that this isn't about boring politics or personal axes. It's about the fact that ... can just do things like this and get away with it. Irrespective of who his ?daughter in law is, he was someone who did his country proud. As for the roads mentioned - what on earth has that got to do with anything?

Yes it's sad that not every person who was the same can be honoured this way, but some of us don't need a public plaque (that can be stolen or defaced) to remember what our relatives did. I'm one of those people. I know what my Dad, Uncle and Grandad did (amongst others) and that's enough for me. I just feel sad that all they fought for is being eroded away by the children of parents who don't give a shit. It's not just the children that are to blame, the parents are too!!

They are all the names of ww2 bombers, although as will rightly be pointed out, the roads in question were named well before the aircraft in question were conceived.

Someone should teach these scumbags how these men fought and died for their country so 'they' could be free!
the youth of today just sicken me, no,i'm not saying they are all like that,but a small majority give the rest of them a bad name.

I know about the bombers, I just thought perhaps it was another political rant about something they hadn't got/had got/wanted/didn't want/you get the gist

nead sum disiplin a good kiking wud sort them