.... just driving home after me night shift and seen a few police cars park near the Mosque on the grassed area, tape all over the place with a tent in the middle, Murder? Accident??

Anyone know more info?

"Outward Bound" Camping exercise?

Yeah Still there at 7.30....

Noting on the radio yet

Any Ideas???

Clicky click click

"Police are treating the incident as an “unexplained death” and are appealing for witnesses."

Id say more suspicious, unless he hit his head and was just looking for somewhere warm to get his head down...

clicky for more info... heres more

just got back from there, police all over the place, got tons of pics, uploading now

got some video i need to sort.

lol, nice one wheels, our own reporter

lol i got asked by loads of people what was going on. and police were asking me who i worked for lol. i had to keep stopping my videoing to answer police

wot bullshit did u spin them? lol

i flashed my bus pass and said "wiki wirral world press" outta my way

video is up

[youtube]DD9oIuTaicQ[/youtube]

I recon one of the people in the High Viz jackets did it!

Theres too many of them hanging around for it to be a conincidence.

lmao @ Whelan, We should make Whelan a Wiki-Wirral World Press Id Card.
Actually a Wiki-Wirral Online Press Id

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7080944.stm

13 year old boy arrested - scary

is that the right place?

yeh thats it alright

The body of Stephen Croft was discovered on an area of grassland at the junction with Borough Road and Whetstone Lane, Birkenhead at 0100 GMT.

The 34-year-old had suffered burns and head injuries but the exact cause of his death remains unknown.

An informal firework and bonfire party had been held where he was found.

The teenager and man are now being questioned by detectives.

People living nearby said they were shocked that a community event had ended so tragically.

A post-mortem examination to establish the cause of Mr Croft's death will be carried out and police have appealed for witnesses to come forward.

great pics whelan

That scientific support unit didnt look happy with you though lol



"Theres the guy who did it!!"

I'll watch out for whelan on north west tonight skulking in the bushes

There is another person in custody tonight too,
a older man.

Amazing pictures wheels

The video is great when the reporter does the
"I love myself" Hair swoosh.

And your pics and report is much better than the
report she done i mean you cant understand her Irish accent.

I just hope that the man was dead before he ended up
on the bonfire ! Tragic.

yeah thats right there is 3 in custody now.

from BBC


Three arrested over bonfire death
A third teenager has been arrested in Wirral over the death of a man at a bonfire party.

Stephen Croft's body was discovered on an area of grassland at the junction with Borough Road and Whetstone Lane, Birkenhead, Wirral, at 0100 GMT.

A 17-year-old boy is now being questioned along with a boy, 13, and a 19-year-old man. All are from the Birkenhead area.

Police said the 34-year-old victim suffered burns and head injuries.

The exact cause of death is not yet known but is expected to be established at a post-mortem examination.

An informal firework and bonfire party had been held where Mr Croft's body was found.

People living nearby said they were shocked that a community event had ended so tragically.

Detectives are appealing for witnesses to come forward.

no way just seen myself on BBCnews24

lol u saw urself on tele, dam gona check news now see if i can spot ye

its when it shows a bunch of moshers walking down the road and the camera turns to look at the tents. im far away but i know its me cos i was looking at the camera when he did it .

haha your moment of fame

I might just cap it for ye haha!

I saw that bit, but didnt see you after that lol

i just shot a quick bit of it off of my TV but its hard to see me

just uploaded it to youtube now. about the 1min 14sec

[youtube]i78FQEKr_uc[/youtube]

< Mark Rushes Out to buy Autograph Book >

Wheels you can be my first page lol

Yeah, Pomp will be on the cover though

haha

gutted the quality is propper shiite

guess you had to see it like i did on a 48inHD

i cant see? lol hiding behind the bush?

you see a bunch of peeps walking down the road all in black, i am just to the right but hidden a bit by the lampost. oh well

Just made national news BBC 1

Sorry Whelan your not in the clip.

Is now a Murder Enquiery

It was on the national news yesterday night too.

police are looking for a shifty character acting as a reporter....

where does it say that jonah lol

lmao Pomp trust you

I never typed that it was my evil side . I told him off

lol u have an evil side

yup i also have a confused side and a scott side but the scott side doesn't happen
as much as i dont fall on my butt.

lol a scott side

haha

Neighbour told me last night that he knew the man who was murdered, from what he told me, he was put in a wheelie bin at another address and then taken to the fire? also one of the older suspects savagley beat up another man near the tunnel exit and got 100hrs com service.

lol glad i moved away when i did

Wooo that's bad

Got to be a bit careful what people say at this stage and a bit careful speculating, have to remember this guy most probably has family/friends who will be grieving.

has never stopped newspapers etc (altho i only really trust bbc - and even then, they have got it wrong before lol)

Fair enough, but they are newspapers, and media in general have no consideration for peoples feelings, as local people, we should have. And even newspapers tend to be careful when it comes to publishing contraversial rumors such as this.



We should put ourselves in the shoes of the guys family and friends before spreading mallicious rumors that may be untrue.

We don't know whether someone who knows the poor guy browses these boards, or even just stumbles across it.

at the end of the day all clj was doing was telling us wot he had been told - he never said that it was actual facts etc

as for anyone close to the guy (no pun intended), i'm sure there are plenty of rhumours flying round that they'll have heard anyway lol

I know he's just sharing what he's heard, I was just stating we have to be careful with this one, not only is a sickening crime where there will be many rumors etc flying about, buts it a very local crime.

in no way was my last post mallicious towards the deceased.

Maybe not towards the deceased, but if you were a relative/close friend of the deceased, rumors like that would be very hurtful.

At a time like this, there will be tons of rumors flying about as to how, why and who etc, but some are best just left as word of mouth rather then being spread around the internet, especially on local forums.

so am i lying to say that 1 of the suspects attacked another man and got given 100hrs community service?

if the people who have been arrested are the culprits then i hope the get the punishment they deserve.

Im not saying you are lying, I dont believe I mentioned anything about that or people lying? Since you believe I did, I would like you to point this out....

Unless you are a detective investigating the case, you probably won't know for sure anyway.

The point I am making, is there will be a lot of rumors flying around about this, some as a result of chinese whispers, some that are completely manufactured for sick peoples entertainment, and some that will turn out to mirror the truth.

Until such a time, given the local nature of the crime and the seriousness and callous circumstances involved, as well as the distress it may cause people who know the guy, I dont think its wise to read too much into rumors/help them spread atm.

Look at it this way, I post a rumor on here that my mate said before or something (this is hypothetical btw), and then people read it and a couple of peeps discuss it, it then gets passed around the Wirral, and the rumor causes a lot of distress to the family of the poor man. Little did I know, that the rumor, was passed onto my mate by some muppet who made it up, and in posting it on the forums, not only was it questionable to do so, but also accelerated the rumor, as xxxx off the forums, went and told everyone in work, and xxx off the forums went and told everyone down the pub that night etc...

I think ye get what I mean, I know ye wernt having insinuating anything yourself, you were just posting what you have heard from someone you know and probably trust. All I was doing was advising people to be careful about doing so, because if the rumor mill gets going, not only would it look bad on Wiki and its members, but could also cause extra distress to relatives of the person and/or extend/accelerate/eggagerate rumors.

It has to be said Matty you can be the most incentive incentitve person on these forums at times. IMO there's nothing wrong with clj comments, No names have been mentioned, already the police and reporters and news papers are saying that the whole thing is on mobile phones? There also saying that he was well love by his family. I think its fair to say also if any of our members know of the man and his family then i'm sure they would have come forward by now and this tread would instantly swing more towards RIP. Than who is and was is, its Human Nature.

I don't think anyone as been incentive at all so far.
And members are being respectful IMO to the man and his family.
If i heard rumours from a reliable source i would be posting them, but that's me.

Yes if someone was mocking the Dead of a Local that would
be very different and promptly removed.

I dont understand what your ranting on about mark, wtf do incetives have to do with anything?

And also, if you bothered to read my posts, instead of just jumping on your high horse, you will see I wasnt blasting the poster of the comments, I was merely suggesting that people are careful what they post/rumors they spread, most rumors that will be passed around will be untrue, and we must consider the fact this is a very local crime, and we dont want to be seen as a rumor mill for things like this.

Reasons behind it for instance, people can start saying he did this, or he was that, and thats why he got murdered, all of which turn out to be untrue and are very damaging to the family because everyone starts to think he was blah blah when he wasnt.

The CPS must have a very strong case to have pushed this through so quickly, I wonder what the evidence is and also, if it was a 13 year old who did it, this is made even more dispicable, the thought of someone being so evil at such a young age is just incomprehendable!

BBC News Report

could be from cctv or camera phone?

Yeah, well it must be summit pretty solid for them to proceed so quickly with such a serious case I guess.

No High Horse at all.
It wasn't a pop at you matty it was pointing out simply that you "CAN" be insensitive at times, and your actually the last person
i expected to be posting about peoples feelings and sensitivity.

We really only watch out for "Disrespectful" And Liable comments to be fair.

Your advice is fair comment, and worth mentioning, but with local issues people are going to know extra little bits too
Which can make a storey interesting. Its fair to say that as a moderator of this forum i watch most of the comments and members do know where the line is. And if not members let me know by reporting it.

Post above - I blame firefox for there dictionary making "incentive" instead of incentitive as a spelling option

check this

http://www.liverpooltimes.net/2007/11/07/justice-for-stephen-croft/

my video is in there too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD9oIuTaicQ

getting quite a few hits & comments.

RIP Steve

Some good comments on there after having a quick scan through...

Whelan, your a famous local reporter now. not a nice way to become one tho.