today iwentto the Derv Doctor in Ashbourne to geta dump valve fitted. all went well and the fella commented on how wellthe engine had been looked after, but said when idle the engine judders and looks as if thers air traped inside the pistons(i think). hetold me it would be okay to drive home and shouldnt give me any problems for a couple of weeks but advised me to take it to a garage sooner rather than later. by the time i got my car bak the garage i go to for everythink else had closed so i just said i'd phone in the mornin.
everythin went ok driving home, went to my girlfriends till about 10:00 then piked my mate up from neston rec. turned the engine off whilst i waited for him, turned the engine on and a huge cloud of black smoke was coming from the exhaustand continuing to pour out as i drove home.

what has happend? can anyone help me????

turbo's had it

barstard!!!
so how much am i lookin at 4 a different turbo? would i have 2 re-set the psi again and get another dumo valve even tho ive just paid £300 4 1 2day?

fooked if i know mate, prob best off takin it to a turbo specialist, pm stuy mac, he will point you in the right direction, thats providing its the turbo, has any one else said that to you yet. but with your psi being so high it might even be your oil valve seals ?, who knows, it could be a number of things, id deffo get it down to some one who knows what they are talkin about, cause i aint got a clue

thanks mate. i'm guna take it 2 olympic autos 2moro and c what he says. do u rekon it could be anythin 2 do with the dump valve being fitted putting pressure on the turbo or am i just panicking too much?
i'll fone up derv doctor aswel, but i wont b able 2 do the 75 mile trip if they wanna look at it.

hmmm, is it poss for you to stick your old dump valve back on

my old dump valve?

its neva had 1 just always had the standard turbo.

this happend to my old mondeo tddi and it was my turbo that was goosed mate i blew one of the pipes connectin to it and didn bother changin the pipe and in the end the turbo just gave up and had to change it all lol cant remeber how much but it wasn that expensive tho

Check your intercooler hoses mate. It sounds like a blowen intercooler hose, if of course its not the turbo. I hope its not.

The DD are pretty good, especially with DTurbos, so im sure his fitting of the dump has nothing to do with it. If it turns out it was the turbo, it was probably well on its way already.

jus phone the Derv Doctor and the lad who worked on my car said it looked as if it was only running on 3 1/2 cylinders and maybe there could b somethin wrong with the oil filter.
he said that they do new cylinders off the wall 4 £145 but i cant get to them and they cnt send them thru the post :s. so i have booked in to olympic autos but not until next friday.

3 1/2 cylinders, and they can replance a cylinder for £145

I think they mean you can change the piston, but its a full strip down job on the motor

If the car has a lumpy idle, it may be a holed piston (if you have had the boost upped) - which may be cheaper to get the motor replaced as a whole.

..on the other hand it may be a boost leak..

Its very hard to diagnose with someones discriptions, and not actually seeing the car..

took the 306 2 olympic autos this morning and have just had a phone call fom him saying that the head gasket had blown.

told him 2 fix it 4 me at a cost of no more than £500.

he said the head will ned 2 be sent off 2 be skimmed and a few other parts replaced - cambelt oil and filter etc..

do u think this is a good price?


also dont know how the derve doctor said it could have been the cylinders considering that theyre specialists!!!

head gasket replacment would mostly be labour costs as there is little parts to purchase.

So depends upon how long it would take them and how difficult it would be to take the head off.

Personally, I wouldn't pay anyone to do it, far cheaper to do it yourself if you know what you're doing. I've done mine myself.

I have no idea how much it would cost, but to me that price is quite high. I'd say £300 max, but I have no idea of labour costs?

Have you tried getting quotes anywhere else?

i aint got a quote from anywhere else no, its the only garage that i reli go 2as my uncle used 2 work ther and the fella dont rip me off! he said the head has 2 be sent off 2 be skimmed coz he dont do it, and should b ready by next saturday at the earliest, but i dunno what labour costs he charges but its always cash in hand 2 him anyway.

The HG set for the 1.9TD motor, inc the head studs etc is around £200 IIRC (What I was quoted by a motor factors for a Xantia TD engine)

Head skim - £50, plus filters and belts etc, I think £500 all in is a pretty reasonable price

Thats a decent price for a DTurbo engine.

I wouldnt bother doing a HG at this time of year, its very cold, leave it to the pro's and it will all be done in a day and warrantied.

I know its something that can be done but if you have never done it before, it can end up costing a lot more money in the time it takes you to get it done.

A garage, 4 - 5 hours labour at least, as Stuy said the parts will come to around the £250 level, plus the skimming of at least £50, and on top of this a time allowance for any unforseen problems, and £500 all in a decent price.

Not sure what the book time is on it, could be summit like 6 hours??

Personally, I wouldnt bother doing a HG replacement myself unless the car was either one I bought to do at my lesuire, I had done it before and was experienced with the engine I was doing it on, or I didnt mind losing the use of the car for weeks/potentially months lol.

I think it would work out cheaper to buy a new engine.

DTurbo's with decently low mileage and in decent nick are actually quite hard to come by nowadays.

Remember the XUD engine was replaced by the DW10 in late 1999 or early 2000 iirc, so if all the engine needs is a HG replacement and skim, id choose that option as any other engine will be getting on for a minimum of 10 years old and the prices ive seen them fetching on eBay is stupid for the age of them.

garage phoned me 2day sayin that they have only just got the cylinder head off, and there id a problem. something has gon in the cylinders and done something else 2 the pistons (not very mechanically minded me as u can tell), so basically its ANOTHER engine jobbie. he hasnt got a price as of yet but i honestly cnt afford it if its over £500, which it probly will coz i will need the boost upping and fuelling etc coz they aint specialists. so bye bye pug 306 R.I.P

shame to hear you have to let it go. but we can all learn a lesson from this, stay away from french shite. any plans for your next motor?

I stay away anyways after i owned a R5

Actually, you will find the XUD engine is one of the most bullet proof on the roads... this one has had a lot of tuning done to it and quite probably been put under a lot of pressure, if not by Pete, then by the previous owner.

There are plenty of people on pug306.net with XUD engines still going strong past 200,000 miles.

My 306, with the TU petrol engine, had done 164,000 miles and still running as sweet as a dream when I eventually sold it a few months back, hardly shite, most petrol engined cars have been well scrapped by then!!

And in 10 months of owning it, I only had the backbox replaced, never even bothered to get a new air filter!! (twas only sposed to be a temp car at first).

no i dint reli 'rag' the car to b honest, only managed a mere 2.5k miles in the month i owned it. most probly was the previousowner the lil ****. lol

i'm plannig on selling all parts of the car- interior and exterior and put that 2wards my next car.
i;m thinking of something diesel again, but maybe from the VAG, or may even buy another fez ZS coz i miss my old 1 sooooo much!