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Posted By: Waddi Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 18th Jun 2007 1:58am
wheres it gone?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 18th Jun 2007 2:17am
Dunno, twas there last week though..

Maybe they removed it cos it wasnt catchin anyone lol.
Posted By: CustomIce Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 18th Jun 2007 8:32am
It got set on fire a few months back, don't think it ever got fixed, so its been removed. I'd not get used to it not being there tho just in case they replace it!
Watch out for the other cameras on that round about. they look out for cars with no insurance or tax.
Posted By: Mark Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 18th Jun 2007 10:35am
That maybe the reason there no longer there now then.

What a world eh?
A camera putting a camera out of a job lol
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 18th Jun 2007 1:00pm
Originally Posted by MadJon
Watch out for the other cameras on that round about. they look out for cars with no insurance or tax.

Thats fine so long as their not speed camera's lol. They can plonk as many of the detection camera's about as they want hehe.
Posted By: fordsteve Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 19th Jun 2007 5:45pm
that camara has been but back up again today just spotted it
Posted By: Wheels Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 19th Jun 2007 6:23pm
yeh i just saw it too, but its looking into the bushes?
Posted By: fordsteve Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 19th Jun 2007 6:28pm
well dont drive out the bushes to fast then lol
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 19th Jun 2007 7:40pm
Lol was it deffo move then, cos when I drove past it last week it was pointing into the bushes lmao!

Maybe they are trying to catch foxes running too fast?? Or birds flying too fast?

grin
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 19th Jun 2007 11:17pm
why is it grey too? havnt they all got to be highly visable yellow?
Posted By: MGCraig Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 19th Jun 2007 11:20pm
maybe havent painted or vinyled it yet
I think the law was changing in June so that coppers could "hide" again. this may be the same with cameras (don't have to be visible).
Posted By: CustomIce Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 4:19pm
Front facing gatso? So it taks pics of you approaching it then?
Posted By: jonah Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 4:22pm
say CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE !!! yup shows whose drivin dont it, so u cant dispute it, but its facin the trees at the mo...
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 4:22pm
Aye, this is something Rhys spotted many moons ago.

Im not sure how they work though, as they dont have secondary evidence (ie. the road markings), maybe LTI2020 could explain a bit better??

smile
Posted By: jonah Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 4:26pm
there are strips set in the road surface which i think activate it when cars go over too fast, look like expansion strips..
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 4:31pm
I thought to make a conviction stick in court they need the secondary visual evidence too? As without it, the accuracy and reliability of the camera in question can be questioned??
Posted By: jonah Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 5:04pm
so there, be told !! lol raftl
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 5:50pm
Why on earth do they have distance markings on the road and why on earth does it take two photo's?

Or is it just for fun??
Posted By: jonah Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 5:52pm
distance marking are cos there used to be and old gatso cam there ages ago then they swapped it for the one they just taken down and replaced
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 5:53pm
Im talking about all cameras in general matey.

The distance markings have only just recently been re-painted on the camera by 3 counties on Hoylake Road, funny thing for them to do that if they dont use them.

wink
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 6:30pm
Originally Posted by LTI2020
speed = distance/time therefore "counting the lines" effectively gives what you are calling a "secondary visual evidence" crap....

I think you ought to refrain from calling it "crap" now, as you have just stated, it is fact. Without the lines on the road, the rear facing camera's couldnt be used to prosecute someone. Well in theory they could, but it wouldnt hold up in court too well.

Its true that I didnt know how the front facing cams worked, but then I bet there isnt many people who do. I was basically referring to what I do know, which is that the lines are needed on the usual camera's one see's out and about, to prove that you were doing above the speed limit.

Theres a million and one loopholes in the law, there isnt anything (general road offences) that a specialist (and may I add expensive) lawyer can't get you off for. This is why so many celebrities and footballers etc get away with traffic offences without even points in most cases, because they hire the very best lawyers in the business and there is always loopholes in almost everything.

This was exposed big time by the Tonight programme on ITV just last year.

smile
Posted By: Waddi Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 8:31pm
Originally Posted by LTI2020
thy dont need "secondary evidence" there are actually wires embedded in the road...simple speed =distance/time
know how far the wire sensors are part + time taken to cover them = real speed...and indisputable evidence


This is just a stupid theory and I do not condone trying this,

when driving over the wires/sensors in the road in sequence at above the speed limit, a signal is then sent to the camera in the box to take a photo, is this correct,

There is no speed sensor in the actual box on top of the pole, only a camera, is this correct.

If both these are correct, could you not bypass the sensors on the road in someway. i.e covering them up with a sheet of wood (simple I know, but sometimes the simple ways work the best) or in some more techinal/mechanical/electrical way.

or if you were silly enough to bypass these sensors in the form of what is known as catching air.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 9:23pm
I've been told that traffic light sensors (like V and / shaped accross just before the junction) used to be able to be bypassed using a relatively small piece of steel like a shovel.

But I don't know if the technology has been upgraded since then?


There is one easy solution to get around this though - don't speed lol
Posted By: Waddi Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 9:27pm
Originally Posted by BMW Joe

There is one easy solution to get around this though - don't speed lol


With my 2 babies in the back I usually dont speed.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 9:29pm
Fair enough.

But nah, I don't think there would be a way around it unless you have big ass magnets attached to your car to fook the signal up in someway.

Wouldn't be worth the hassle if it could be done though
Posted By: Waddi Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 9:35pm
MAGNETS, I hadnt thought of that, what about them snow chains that go over your tyres.

or invent a hover car that doesnt touch the road surface, and therefore doesnt touch the sensors. where Doctor Emmett Brown when you need him.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 9:45pm
Originally Posted by Waddi

or invent a hover car that doesnt touch the road surface, and therefore doesnt touch the sensors. where Doctor Emmett Brown when you need him.


raftl
Posted By: Mark Re: Speed camera by little chef in eastham - 20th Jun 2007 10:54pm
They have it sussed in London and Manchester
its called car cloning.

Just nick a reg plate and then you don't have to worry about the speeding ticket wink

Only the fact your in a car with the wrong plates
and impersonating a skoda with out permission lol

They probably implemented the sensors as there were situations
where a false trigger could cause a ticket to be issued
when it was camera only.

Silver car and a caravan, somthing like that anyway.
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