Review: 28th january 2006 Peco Rolling Road Day.

Did anyone beat Superdave Lotus, the winner of the last rolling road Day with 364.77bhp (@ FLY)

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Cruisewirral Rollin Road Day 28th january 2006 Review.

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who has the most BHP and Torque?
how was the Cruisewirral Rolling Road Day at Peco?

Cant wait to see everyones results.

lets hear your reviews about the Rolling Road Day:

what were the best parts?
who got the best scores?
what was the turnout like?

rave away peeps!

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Results Peco Rolling Road Day 28th Jan 2006

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Position	Name	    Make	Model	      Fuel	CC	Turbos	RWD	FWD	RWD@FLY	FWD@FLY	Additional 
1	        BIGCOS	   Ford 	F150 Lighting	p	5.4		365.6		426.82	 	Automatic Supercharged Torque = 518.6
2	        UNSIE	   Jaguar	XJR	        p	4		306.4		359.55	 	Automatic Supercharged
3	        Evo Ad	   Nissan	Skyline	        p	2.5	  1	239.9		283.98	 	
4	        Evo Ad	   Honda	Prelude	        p + NOS	2.2			211.6	 	246.22	
5	        UNSY	   Vauxhall	Astra Coupe	p	2	  1		176.6	 	207.33	
6	        Evo Ad	   Honda	Prelude	        p	2.2			163.5	 	192.78	
7	        Red 20	   Corsa	Sport	        p	2			151.1	 	179.00	
8	        Stuart S   Rover MG	MGF	        p	1.8		115.9		143.07	 	
9	        Gary H	   Ford 	Fiesta	        p	1.8	  1		134.5		160.56	
10	        Chris 0	   Fiat Bravo	HGT	        p	2			129.7	 	155.22	x5 cylinder
11	        Macca GSI  Vauxhall	Astra	        p	2.2			128.4	 	153.78	
12	        HILLY	   Honda	CRX	        p	1.6			124.7	 	149.67	
13	        Martypalin Mitsubishi	Galant	        p	2			117.8	 	142.00	
14	        Lawton	   Corsa	1.4 Sport	p	1.4			88	 	108.89	
15	        Sted	   Escort	si	        p	1.8			67.7	 	86.33	Engine Problem

First Place Bigcos Ford Lightning 5.4L Automatic / Supercharged.

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426.82 BHP @ Fly Wheel - - Torque = 518.6

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Second Place Jaguar XJR 4L V8 Automatic Supercharged

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359.55 BHP @ Fly Wheel

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Third Place Nissan Skyline 2.5L Turbo

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283.98 @ Fly Wheel

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A massive thanks to Peco again for there hospertality and a be thanks to
Dave Peco's Guru (Tech guy)who made it another great day.

Personally i think this was our best day so far,
the banter and cars were amazing.

I think we were all shocked with Bigcos and his Ford Lighting... WOW...

Watch for out for our next visit to peco :go: :go:

cant wait to see the full article and peoples reviews of the day, wonder what was up with steds car? did he take his 1.8 Scort Si, that shud be 105BHP at the fly standard

i went on aswell
1.4 sport
torque = 89.7
bhp at wheels = 88.5
bhp at fly = 108.89

i posted my results up on corsa sport with mark an we got a bad feed bk people saying that the rrd is way out

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Originally posted by red20:
i posted my results up on corsa sport with mark an we got a bad feed bk people saying that the rrd is way out

What they reckon the rolling road is showing too high a power figure or too little a power figure?

The RR is not out! evidently it is not as it measures a lot of standard cars accurately enough, Als VTI in standard trim was only 1BHP out from the stated 160BHP.
My 74BHP 1.4 scort got 70BHP (4BHP down,due to age of engine i suspect)
the RR is fine,what are the standard figures of ur corsas?

id of said for lawtons corsa (i know its nippy) but 110bhp out of a 1.4 is a lot but then again its mostly down to torque figures anyway

they where going on about my corsa not being able to get that sort of power out of the engine its got super fast road cams ported an polished head fse power boost valve might not make much diffrence but bin runing optimax for a long time an i also used some octane booster which took the octane up 8ron

just because its got this that and the other doesnt mean that it should make a certain figure. if a cowboys set it all up and not repregrammed your ECU correctly then it wont be running properly at all.

and scoop on that evidence it looks (als civic etc) id say the RR was pretty accurate but who knows whats changed there in the time since the last one

id say its accurate,but then again,the figures the corsas gave are incredible,almost supsect.

110BHP is a lot for a 1.4. But MG ZR1.4ss are 105BHP standard so it is possible.Maybe vaux engines can take the tuning well.some people say RR's overread to make the customer feel happy that the money theyve spent on their engine is well spent??i dont believe this tho,especially of peco,which read perfectly for me.

Wonder how much difference the wheels make?
Also,the calculation for transmission losses is not gospel,and its best not to use it,just say how much u got down to the rollers,some drivetrains are efficient and will get 91% of power to the road,some are crap and wont even get 85% down to the road,so using a generic calculation is a bit daft i feel.Ill be gettin my car RRd in a few months and as long as 110BHP is read at the wheels ill be happy (that should be over 130BHP @ fly,but..........generic calculation)

well red you know what you've done to the car, i assume those ppl on corsa sport dont? anyone who says you cant get this from that is stupid, just ignore the idiots who say the RR is off coz they dont believe the figures

people will always argue about RR figures and how accurate they are and no-one will ever prove/disprove a it so. best bet, take your cars to pod and see who's got the best Q/M failing that take it round a track and see whos the best driver.

as long as, with the mods youve done, you feel that the car has improved and your pleased with it then thats all that should matter

when andy had his civic that was tuned up we raced an i wasnt that far behind was still siting right next to his an he was runing silly power

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Originally posted by martypalin:
well red you know what you've done to the car, i assume those ppl on corsa sport dont? anyone who says you cant get this from that is stupid, just ignore the idiots who say the RR is off coz they dont believe the figures

well obvioulsy he's gona of told them what he's done for them to make that assumption.

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Originally posted by red20:
when andy had his civic that was tuned up we raced an i wasnt that far behind was still siting right next to his an he was runing silly power

yeah but acceleration is down to torque and drivers reactions, gear changes etc etc could affect a race side by side.

180 bhp at the fly id say isnt that impossible from a 2L engine. and itd be more noticable in yours than say an astra with yours being lighter

torque is acceleration,however,jap cars can stay in each gear forever and a day as they rev to 8 or 9k lol.So a torquey car can pull hard but will have to change gear more often than a 200BHP 1.8

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Originally posted by red20:
i posted my results up on corsa sport with mark an we got a bad feed bk people saying that the rrd is way out

I SUSPECT THEY ARE JEALOUS OR GUTTED.

You always get people like this i put my rrd figs on the E30 zones when i had the bm (and it was down 6bhp) and got nothing but rubbish.

Sod them all.

Looked like a good day was going to try and see if there was any space but after i had sorted the tyres and got down there (for all of 5mins) i wouldnt have had time as i needed to be at footy.

Would of liked to see how my car did because its faster then i thought.

I tried catching your car up in my mondeo and got wasted by it its Fast and if people on other sites dont belive you SOD EM.

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Originally posted by red20:
they where going on about my corsa not being able to get that sort of power out of the engine its got super fast road cams ported an polished head fse power boost valve might not make much diffrence but bin runing optimax for a long time an i also used some octane booster which took the octane up 8ron

I take it you have a 2.0 16v engine? If so then I know that 180bhp is EASILY possible with what you have. I saw an article quite a few years ago about the 16v engine, saying that they produced 157bhp straight out the factory but produce more bhp when the engine's loosend up after about 65,000 miles. Until the engine's hit 65,000 miles it's not classed as being fully run in. Providing your cams have been set up correctly with the power boost valve, then I don't see why it wouldn't make 180+bhp. Also when the manufacturer claims 157bhp this will have been achieved on normal unleaded petrol and not Super Unleaded or Optimax.

is chris o the one with a fiat bravo?

chris o is the one with the 5 cylinder Bravo..

Red20 Trust me the rolling road is spot on.
Its regulary calibrated an no one has ever questioned the results.
If they seen the technology that's attached to Peco's 1000bhp Dyno Jet Rolling Road
i doubt they would question any part of it.
Dont forget dave the technician?
He has been doing rolling roads for years and years, and before he joined peco.
He know's if somethings not right

He diagnosed a problem with steds car just by looking at the graph as it died before it peaked.

Between Dave and the Rollers and the computer,
there is no chance of a miss reading in my opinon.

As we said on the day,
if you sorted your tappets out it would have got higher.

I guess they just cant believe it can be done.

I will host more pics with graphs in the morning,
i'm wiped out...

But it was an excellent day and anyone that
missed it did miss it.

Ask anyone who was there.

Personally i would simply say they were Jeaulous mate about your 180 BHP Corsa......

Its only a 20% increase over standard figures, its not impossible by any means.

I would stand proud mate and take the reading as gospel. When people are talking about racing each other then that is a different thing all together. The weight of your car comes into effect. Example : My MK1 Escort Cozzy only weighed 800kgs but was pushing 280 BHP but say a Lexus GS430 Sport weighs 2500kgs but has 400 BHP then who will win a race ?? The lexus has allot more BHP but it weighs 3 times what the escort does so the escort would waste it big time although the escort has 120 BHP less than the Lexus.

Power to weight Ratio's :

Escort : 350 BHP Per Ton

Lexus : 160 BHP Per ton

This shows the escort would be nearly twice as fast as the lexus but dosnt have as much power....

All in all it was a top top day with Bigcoz Ford Lightening stealing the show

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Results Table has now been updated.
Results 1 - 10 format with make & Model etc.

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First Place Bigcos Ford Lightning 5.4L Automatic / Supercharged.

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426.82 BHP @ Fly Wheel - - Torque = 518.6

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Second Place Jaguar XJR 4L V8 Automatic Supercharged

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359.55 BHP @ Fly Wheel

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Third Place Nissan Skyline 2.5L Turbo

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283.98 @ Fly Wheel

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Forth With NOS

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246.22 @ Fly Wheel
The Prelude done 2 runs on this graph.
1 without NOS and 1 With NOS
Without NOS = 6th Place.

5th Place

207.33 BHP @ Fly Wheel

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6th Place

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192.78 BHP @ Fly Wheel
The Prelude done 2 runs on this graph.
1 without NOS and 1 With NOS
With NOS = 4th Place.

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7th Place

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179.00 @ Fly Wheel

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8th Place

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143.07 @ Fly Wheel

9th Place

160.56 BHP @ Fly Wheel

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10th Place

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155.22 BHP @ Fly Wheel

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11th Place

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153.78 @ Fly Wheel

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12th Place

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149.67 @ Fly Wheel

13th Place

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142.00 BHP @ Fly Wheel

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108.89 BHP @ Fly Wheel

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86.33 @ Fly Wheel
As you can see from the graph an engine
problem was found hence low result.

howcome the huuuuuge engined cars had a peak at the beggining of the graph,what was up with steds car,fell to shit after 4500RPM

any idea when the vids are going up

can someone remove the pic from the top off the page thank you. (and put my pic there)

NO

Your Truck is in the first topic.

When we do peco (5) guess whos's picture will be in the first topic??

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Well done fella,
what a shock your motor turned out to be.

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Originally posted by red20:
any idea when the vids are going up

Scooby will post details soon.

Big cos gave me a lift home lastweek in his truck and WOW

ITS MOVES.

Hibert well done matey.

I need to sort myself out and get the 4i and the fezzy on nextime.

Nice one to all that attended, thumbs up to hibbert that thing sounds v throaty.

Hopefully i'll sort myself out for the next RR, didnt really get my ass into gear for this one. Just means I can add more bits for the next one

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Originally posted by scoop2004:
howcome the huuuuuge engined cars had a peak at the beggining of the graph,what was up with steds car,fell to shit after 4500RPM

The huuuuuge engined cars peak at the beginning due to them being Automatics, it the way Dave has to set up the run. He has to avoid the engine stepping down so i think the results show them running / rolling before the he recorded the result.

Steds car showed a power loss for some reason,
this could only be diagnosed by inputing
a diagnostic machine.

Hope that helps.

Well chuff with mine! the 2.2 only puts 144bhp standard and ave only got a courtenay sport panel filter! just wait till i go to courtenay sport for my cams, new head, sports cat, and remap with rollin road tune! can't wait!!

hi i have made plans to get the car d tested to find out wat the problem is but hey at least i know its there now instead of not knowin (thanks to the rollin road) it made it come to lite the problem

Any chance a 4 wheel drive r/road can be used next time ???

John the answers no - were not letting you join in with the 400+ bhp scoobie

ya cheat!

any know when the vids will be put up

I can tell you not tonight, scooby's out..

Sorry

Check back soon for details.

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Originally posted by Dazza:
John the answers no - were not letting you join in with the 400+ bhp scoobie

ya cheat!

Not fair, thats discrimination. and im not a cheat so

i wish i had bought an xjr now

There perfomance for money is quality. Ohwell lets see in 12 months ha ha ha

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Originally posted by red20:
any know when the vids will be put up

I wont be hosting the Video's as it takes allot of Bandwidth (Money)

However if you send me an e-mail to Scooby@cruisewirral.com clearly stating your username, What Car, colour & Registration Number then i will e-mail you the video of your car on the rolling road.

so we not going for a 4 wheel drive one then no?

Too expensive and there isnt any local

There is one in St Helens and one in Warrington. Approx 30 mins drive from Birkenhead.
Are they too far away for people?

Well considering MOST members only drive 2wd vehicles i dont see the point unless the members with 4wd vehicles wanted to arrange this ?

I will leave the ball in the 4wd members court to arrange if they wish to do so.

I know its a pain as when i had the scooby i couldnt join in the Peco rolling road Shootout's but hey, thats life i guess.......

True i suppose.

Am i elligibe to be entered into the league tables then if the car gets done at a non cw rolling road day ?

Erm, Bloody good question mate

OKay John, Im short YES your results can be included in the League Tables. :cheers:

This is a ONE OFF Exeption as you are a valued member and it would be unfair to exclude you just coz you have an All Wheel Drive vehicle.

Good lad, you know it makes sense