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#995453 - 19th Dec 2015 6:07pm Redundancies-Next Wave
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Nice Christmas present receiving a letter saying you might be made redundant. Next round of redundancies on the way as they need to hack another 24 million off next years budget. Gonna be more ex-council employees than employees soon.

Another cock up--heard they just employed someone and their job may be axed in march.

Better make sure I have a good Christmas..

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#995455 - 19th Dec 2015 6:23pm Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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with my tongue firmly in my cheek, I'll ask, how many Councillors are being made redundant?

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#995456 - 19th Dec 2015 6:24pm Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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An uncertain time, not nice for anybody, I have been in that position myself back in the 80's courtesy of Thatcher, it worries the life out of you, hope all goes well for you.

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#995460 - 19th Dec 2015 6:44pm Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: locomotive]
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with my tongue firmly in my cheek, I'll ask, how many Councillors are being made redundant?


I believe they are looking again at looking at reducing the number of councillors. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.

The population of Wirral is about 320,000 and we have 66 councillors, so the average number of people each councillor is representing is about 4800 (about 2700 households?). Doing some rough guestimating, each a councillor cost every individual about 4 a year (7 a household?).

Reducing councillor numbers will lead to having a higher ration of professional politicians to men-on-the-street types representing us.
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#995465 - 19th Dec 2015 7:49pm Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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We dont need 66 Councillors half of them dont do much anyway. The ratio you use of people using Councillors is not right. Yes they divide out as 2700 households but and it is a big BUT how many of those 2700 households use or contact their Councillor, not a lot and certainly not all of them. Two Councillors is adequate for a Ward , make them work a bit for their constituents and not just cream off the best bits, going to do's, visits to other countries and all the other perks. Get rid of 22 and put the money saved into somewhere that deserves it like adult care.

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#995467 - 19th Dec 2015 8:17pm Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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The households are represented by their councillors whether they contact their councillor or not. Accountability and lobbying are only a part of a councillor's function.

The more councillors, the more democratic, the less councillors the more it becomes dictatorial. In an ideal world you could just have one councillor - but reality says otherwise.

Don't forget being a councillor is not an occupation, it is a part time voluntary role, most councillors have full time jobs or even run businesses. If they are busy councillors then it is all at a cost to their private lives and/or families.

If councillors did not have (outside) jobs then you would end up with a much narrower viewpoint, I prefer the breadth of representation that we have at the moment.

Having higher numbers also aids continuity and handover, if you had a council with a large number of newcomers after an election then the lack of experience would have significant drawbacks. If you ever read council documents just understanding what is said is complicated, analysing the consequences and possible changes are much harder.

I would like to see a reduction but my concerns are whether enough "good-guys" would remain or whether they would be squeezed out by the fame-seekers and money-grabbers. I'm still sitting on the fence.
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#995468 - 19th Dec 2015 8:42pm Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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Joe is on his way, no need for democracy, councillors or accountability.


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#995469 - 19th Dec 2015 8:51pm Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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#995478 - 19th Dec 2015 11:49pm Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: dustymclean]
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Originally Posted By: dustymclean
Joe is on his way, no need for democracy, councillors or accountability.



raftl I wish someone would stick a pin in him. Could be a nasty explosion but better that than his one man band.

Santos is right to a degree. How many have emailed their local councillor and not yet received a reply ?
We do not need 66 of them on Wirral, and however many households pay towards the bill the total cost for 2013/14 was 754,783.18 (plus amounts for the Mayor & Deputy Mayor)
Not a bad little part time number, and some of them are truly not up to the job.
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#995488 - 20th Dec 2015 9:25am Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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Over the years, I've emailed my local councillor maybe half a dozen times and not ONCE had a reply. On the other hand, Angela Eagle always gets back to me and follows up later to see if the problem is resolved.

Read Wirral Leaks to see what is happening to YOUR money - latest scandal is 250k of your money handed in "voluntary redundancy" to a council employee who has just popped up doing the same job for an organisation that does contract work for the council. How can his position be redundant if he's back doing the same thing as a contractor? It stinks.

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#995491 - 20th Dec 2015 9:55am Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: MikeT]
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Didnt know angela eagle was mp for the canary islands wink

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#995502 - 20th Dec 2015 10:37am Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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Reducing the number of politicians makes the remaining ones more powerful. If you want a really low cost political system, try a dictatorship.

My personal opinion is that we should have about 8,000 MPs - the square root of the population. This would mean distributing parliament around the country in numerous places and linking them with electronics, so its far too radical to ever happen. They would, individually, be a lot less powerful, and could take on some or all of the duties of local councillors. The main advantage is that the size of a constituency is the same as the size of parliament - about 8,000 - which seems to me to be a fair distribution of political power.

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#995504 - 20th Dec 2015 10:44am Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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As to the cuts, they are entirely unnecessary, and have more to do with the tories wanting to cut the state down than any economic reason.

But we have no-one to blame but ourselves. We chose this appalling government knowing they were going to go for 'austerity' although I certainly didn't vote for them. Maybe Corbyn will change things for the better next time?

Sorry for your bad News Fish. I hope the axe doesn't fall on you, or anyone for that matter.

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#995506 - 20th Dec 2015 10:46am Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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Councillors are not Politicians.
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#995509 - 20th Dec 2015 11:01am Re: Redundancies-Next Wave [Re: fish5133]
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Government/Council money is like confetti on a windy day, it goes everywhere except the place you want it to.

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