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Exactly the same way as it has been achieved many other times, you pay off the leaders and if necessary give them conditional power.

Its the cheapest solution, the one that saves lives and also the solution that enables longer terms of peace.

There are no words I've heard against ISIS that I have not also heard against the IRA in the past.

Don't think these IS are interested in money DD, they give their lives up for their so called cause of changing the western world and making it Islamic. Maybe if certain countries stopped providing them with money now, that might help. The IRA were very bad but these maniacs are much bigger and even more evil. So frightening..

Having listened to much of the debate going on today, once again, it is so hard to really be decisive for or against.

My opinions flip flopping all over the place. I do think that Liam Fox made a good case, at the same time an MP received an email from someone in Raqqah, which he read out. It was a plea on behalf of a family saying how much longer can they stay and live with the atrocities and protect their children from seeing decapitated heads spiked along the roads.

That was quite powerful for myself which tipped me to the pro lobby.

Concerns consist of the one time point that we would never put troops on the ground, now that seems to have changed and in that possible scenario I can't help thinking that ISIS would undoubtedly use whoever they could, as human shields. I think Derek has raised a similar point.

Would this situation have arisen if Paris had not been attacked ?

I don't think Ireland compares to this ISIS problem DD, they didn't, behead, burn people alive,crucify, rape children or kill 250,000, but they did get financial aid and backing from America !

The IRA did burn people alive (necklacing).
The IRA destroyed heritage.
The IRA attempted to poison people and the environment.
The IRA did behead people.
The IRA did rape.
The IRA did crucify people.
IRA members are currently under investigation for child abuse.
The IRA killed about 1700 people.

This bombing will be indiscriminate action, it will not end ISIS, it has no finite objectives.

I am not totally against taking action, but this resolution is not a solution.

Syria is a member of the UN yet we have been taking action against its government. There are 193 members of the UN - what percentage are taking action against ISIS?

I dont get how paying off can work. You might give some crooked money motivated leaders of the factions enough money to be under your control, but the ones beneath them , are motivated either by the wishes of Allah, or by injustice /wanting their piece of country to call their own/ or by revenge - the infidels have killed my relatives, /or by common hatred of Assad. Those 'underlings' have a lot invested emotionally in the 'battle' so far -they havent got much to lose. How are they going to be if the leaders suddenly turn round and appear to say hang on lads, weve got money on offer here from the infidels, lets stop fighting and be friends with the other groups we hate and have a bit of peace . Forget youve lost your brothers and sisters, forget revenge on the West , just fall into line ,theres good chaps? Anyway, I thought some of the groups are well funded ?

Leaders are invariably power hungry and greedy - give a terrorist leader the chance to become a main player in world politics and they jump at the opportunity, a financial incentive lubricates the process.

Its been done loads of times in the past, obviously the methods are disguised but if you look at any conflict that has a peaceful resolution you can almost guarantee that money and/or power is how it has been brought about.

Since the bombing of Syria has started, ISIS has become twice as big, the bombing has shown to be counter-productive. The most effective call to arms is being attacked - its Janet and John book one of group behaviour (I remember one of my instructors almost being lynched by all of us when he demonstrated this in a sneaky exercise).

If the Turkish and/or Saudi borders had been closed at the beginning of this, ISIS would not exist by now and far fewer people would be dead. Negotiating peace and diplomacy isn't just a matter of talking with the aggressors.

The Irish facts and figures do not equate to the magnitude of murders, crimes and perpetrations committed by ISIS and Assad, in a much shorter period of time. I really feel that if the same things were happening on British soil, we would be calling out for help, to whoever would hear us, otherwise there would be no chance of the terror going away.
Negotiating took how many years with the Irish problem ? Do we wait another 30yrs to come to some resolve in this dreadful affair ? In the meantime, Europe being flooded with more and more refugees from many more countries, how would we cope with that situation ? Maybe Britain should take another 200,000 or more of them, and increase our chances of being attacked on home territory. Would that be the answer ?

It's all so desperate from all sides, and I would not wish our troops to be the boots on the ground, neither would my wish be for the innocents in Syria to be subject to the ongoing threat from ISIS.

If it was on our soil would we want others to bomb our land uninvited by us?

What will bombing Syria achieve apart from more innocent lives being lost?

We are not taking a defensive role, nor a peacekeeping role but yet again are taking an aggressive role.

The UN have asked us to and the Syrian people have been begging for ages.

I emailed our MP this morning and made a 'NO' vote. If unsure, it has to be.

Heaven help everyone, whichever the way it happens.

Assuming the whole idea of the bombing would be to disperse ISIS from out of Raqqah (at the moment). Next move is unclear. Supposing that depends on success of the operation.

barstard!!!! Absolute barstard!!! Already- Murdoch (Sky News)
blaming J.C

Sickened!!

No surprise in the parliamentary outcome unfortunately. There really wasn't a need for over 10 hours of debate although a couple of untruths did surface.

I'm waiting for the voting report to see how many conservatives voted with their conscience or with their political career in mind.

Passionate speech by Hilary Benn gets standing ovation (but will he be sending his kids to war?)

Tin hats ready

Nostradamus springs to mind.

What did Nostradamus do ?